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re: Your Daily Multivitamin Is Pointless, at Best
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:09 am to LSUsuperfresh
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:09 am to LSUsuperfresh
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Due to how commonly they're taken, it seems like there should be some scientific studies that can prove their effects or absence of
The vitamin companies definitely do not want to do this, much less pay for it.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:10 am to RedRifle
That study has holes in it. As with every study, take it with a grain of salt. If you're eating right, most people can get by. but the issue is that most americans are eating wrong (processed) and not getting hardly any nutrients in their diet.
The thing with vitamin deficiencies is that you'll be riddled with cancer or some other disease, 20-30 years from now, which could've been prevented or at least slowed by supplementing your diet with multivitamins.
Basically, it's insurance for your body. You can choose to not take them and be fine for the rest of your life...or not.
I spend $144/year on a high potency multi..fwiw.
The thing with vitamin deficiencies is that you'll be riddled with cancer or some other disease, 20-30 years from now, which could've been prevented or at least slowed by supplementing your diet with multivitamins.
Basically, it's insurance for your body. You can choose to not take them and be fine for the rest of your life...or not.
I spend $144/year on a high potency multi..fwiw.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:12 am to CreoleGumbo
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As with every study, take it with a grain of salt.
I read a study that said that high sodium diets were linked to heart disease and high blood pressure. Should I take it with a grain of salt as well?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:12 am to Chad504boy
I recommend everyone get a full micronutrient test every year. Otherwise, you are just taking a shotgun approach and hoping it works.
What if everything is OK, but you are low in copper. Then you should only be taking copper, and don't need the shitload of B12 in your average multi (and you can spend a lot less).
On the other hand, if you find you are really low in certain things, like vitamin D, the low amount in a typical multi will not help at all, since you'll need at least 2K IU.
What if everything is OK, but you are low in copper. Then you should only be taking copper, and don't need the shitload of B12 in your average multi (and you can spend a lot less).
On the other hand, if you find you are really low in certain things, like vitamin D, the low amount in a typical multi will not help at all, since you'll need at least 2K IU.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:13 am to RedRifle
Also some vitamins and minerals can't be absorbed by the body at the same time but some multivitamins will have both of them just to claim them on the label.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:13 am to CreoleGumbo
quote:fortified with iodine
take it with a grain of salt
quote:You actually have this backwards. "Processed" foods - pre-sliced bread, pasteurized milk, genetically modified fruit, cereals, even junk food - are MORE fortified than their more "natural" alternatives.
but the issue is that most americans are eating wrong (processed) and not getting hardly any nutrients in their diet.
quote:If you eat any modern American diet, you don't have a vitamin deficiency. Unless you have a rare condition. That's the point.
The thing with vitamin deficiencies is that you'll be riddled with cancer or some other disease, 20-30 years from now, which could've been prevented or at least slowed by supplementing your diet with multivitamins.
quote:Straight down the tubes.
I spend $144/year on a high potency multi.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:17 am to BabyTac
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I take a multivitamin as well as 500mcg of Vitamin C daily for the last several years. I exercise a lot and eat fairly healthy, however don't really eat much fruit or veggies on a daily basis so feel like it's a good supplement. I haven't even hardly gotten a cold much less been sick since I can remember doing this.
So do you think the vitamin supplement is the reason or the exercising and eating healthy?
I do the latter 2 without taking any vitamins and I haven't been sick in 10 years that I can remember.
I'm not telling you to stop what you're doing, but it's hard to decipher cause and effects with so many factors involved.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:18 am to genro
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If you eat any modern American diet, you don't have a vitamin deficiency. Unless you have a rare condition. That's the point.
Straight up wrong. Americans are practically chronically low in Vit D and Magnesium.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:23 am to CreoleGumbo
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That study has holes in it.
seriously? these studies have come to light in many places in the last few months.
keep on living in denial.
NY Times VITAMINS ARE USELESS
NPR - The case against vitamins
CNN - Cites Medical Studies
quote:
Do you take your vitamins every day? For the majority of people, it might just be a waste of time and money, according to a new editorial published in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.
The editorial, which is in response to three new studies also just published in the same journal, says that research does not show a health benefit to taking most vitamin supplements, and that they don't seem to prevent death or disease.
"The message is simple: Most supplements do not prevent chronic disease or death, their use is not justified, and they should be avoided," wrote the editorial's authors, who come from Johns Hopkins University, the University of Warwick and the American College of Physicians. "This message is especially true for the general population with no clear evidence of micronutrient deficiencies, who represent most supplement users in the United States and in other countries."
Specifically, supplements of antioxidants, folic acid and vitamin B seem to hold no benefits, and could potentially even be harmful, though more research is necessary, the editorial's authors said. And beta carotene, vitamin E and possibly high doses of vitamin A may be harmful.
Multivitamins also don't seem to hold any additional benefits, they said, writing, "this evidence, combined with biological considerations, suggests that any effect, either beneficial or harmful, is probably small."
"The (vitamin and supplement) industry is based on anecdote, people saying 'I take this, and it makes me feel better,'" Dr. Edgar Miller, one of the authors of the editorial and a professor of medicine and epidemiology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, told CNN. "It's perpetuated. But when you put it to the test, there's no evidence of benefit in the long term. It can't prevent mortality, stroke or heart attack."
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:24 am to LSUfan20005
quote:Do you think multivitamins for everyone is the answer? No, this "chronic deficiency" should be addressed in regards to how those two particular nutrients are made available and absorbed. Right? When tons of people had goiters, we iodized the salt. We didn't hawk multivitamins at absurd prices.
Americans are practically chronically low in Vit D and Magnesium.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:24 am to RedRifle
Vitamins don't cure cancer, diabetes, cardiovascular or lead to weight loss?
Who knew?
Who knew?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:27 am to genro
quote:
In modern America there's basically zero reason to take a multivitamin
What about prenatal vitamins?
It's essential to get enough folic acid to prevent spina bifida. One of the main reasons to take prenatal vitamins.
You saying prenatal vitamins are pointless?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:28 am to lsunurse
quote:No. Natal nutrition is a different issue
What about prenatal vitamins?
It's essential to get enough folic acid to prevent spina bifida. One of the main reasons to take prenatal vitamins.
You saying prenatal vitamins are pointless?
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:31 am to RedRifle
So if doesn't prevent cancer or cardiovascular disease then it's worthless?
Seems legit.
Seems legit.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:32 am to RedRifle
Emily Oster is a known nut, who does total bullshite studies like this to get grant money from other nuts
it's a trend you see..
it's a trend you see..
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:35 am to genro
Prenatal vitamins also make your hair and nails grow longer.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:37 am to lsunurse
Nurse, this thread is about everyday multivitamins. It's not about specific compounds designed to boost and assist natal development. You're getting caught up on the word "vitamin."
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:38 am to genro
You ever looked at a bottle of prenatal vitamins?
Basically women's everyday multivitamins with a few added extras(extra folic acid)
Basically women's everyday multivitamins with a few added extras(extra folic acid)
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:40 am to RedRifle
I told my wife taking Prenatal Vitamins were a waste!
ETA: That's why i switched them with sugar pills!
ETA: That's why i switched them with sugar pills!
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 10:41 am to lsunurse
But for those of us who aren't pregnant women and don't require nutrients for two, a balanced modern American diet is more than sufficient to meet our nutritional needs.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 10:41 am
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