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Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:22 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:I TOLD YOU....the water was really really cold this year. Maximum shrinkage issues.
Dude. Knock it off. That added heat could cause a hurricane
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:25 pm to SirWinston
A quiet season, is a good season
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:33 pm to SirWinston
Apparently, you haven't gotten the leftist lies/propaganda/brainwashing talking points --
quote:
Let's see how it works --
Cold Summer - Fault of Climate Change
Moderate Summer - Fault of Climate Change
Hot Summer - Fault of Global Warming
Cold Fall - Fault of Climate Change
Moderate Fall - Fault of Climate Change
Hot Fall - Fault of Global Warming
Cold Winter - Fault of Climate Change
Moderate Winter - Fault of Climate Change
Hot Winter - Fault of Global Warming
Cold Spring - Fault of Climate Change
Moderate Spring - Fault of Climate Change
Hot Spring - Fault of Global Warming
Too Many Hurricanes - Fault of Global Warming
Average Number of Hurricanes - Fault of Climate Change
Very Few Hurricanes - Fault of Climate Change
And, on and on and on and on ....
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:45 pm to SirWinston
Geez...
1) Global warming/climate change has caused increase in temperature in Sahara Desert;
2) Global warming has also caused a shift in the summer upper level wind patterns in northern/western Africa;
3) This has caused an abnormal injection of dust into the western Atlantic, which has operated to retard development of tropical systems, as well as infusing more...
DRY AIR
...into these development zones.
++++++++++++++
So, you see, once the globe has gotten so hot that the Sahara Desert is melted to glass, the dust won't be there anymore and with the boiling oceans, we will have Category Eleventybillion hurricanes everyday.
1) Global warming/climate change has caused increase in temperature in Sahara Desert;
2) Global warming has also caused a shift in the summer upper level wind patterns in northern/western Africa;
3) This has caused an abnormal injection of dust into the western Atlantic, which has operated to retard development of tropical systems, as well as infusing more...
DRY AIR
...into these development zones.
++++++++++++++
So, you see, once the globe has gotten so hot that the Sahara Desert is melted to glass, the dust won't be there anymore and with the boiling oceans, we will have Category Eleventybillion hurricanes everyday.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:50 pm to SirWinston
quote:
I know that Climate Change people will (haughtily) point out the difference between "weather and climate" and harumph in general. But at some point aren't the bombastic claims of "Category 6" hurricanes becoming the norm by Al Gore and the like going to be held to account?
The Atlantic isn't the only place that has tropical systems. They Eastpac is way above average this year.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:51 pm to SirWinston
quote:Well, first of all, you did. When Darwinism was as young as AGW, you had a lot of blunders, which is why every creationist catechism recites Haeckel and Piltdown and every other screw-up from the early 1900s as though it's relevant today.
You don't have blunders like this in regards to evolution. We don't hear scientists predict or state something that is then proven to be completely wrong in evolution or gravity or even space. We do with global warming. Quite often.
Second of all, Al Gore isn't a scientist. What were the actual scientists saying in the late aughts when Katrina and Ike and Irene/Sandy were landing?
Well, they were saying this: LINK
quote:
Using a high-horizontal-resolution atmospheric general circulation model (AGCM), impacts of SST warming and CO2 increase on the tropical cyclone (TC) climatology are investigated. The SST effect is examined from numerical experiments in which SST is uniformly higher/lower by 2 K, without changing the atmospheric CO2 concentration. The CO2 effect is shown from doubled and quadrupled CO2 experiments with a fixed SST condition. The results demonstrate that the increases in CO2 have large impacts to reduce TC frequency globally, while the SST changes have relatively small influences on the TC frequency ...As the effect of CO2 enhancement, precipitation decreases significantly in the tropics, which may lead to the reduction in TC frequency.
And this: LINK
quote:And this: LINK
Our regional climate model of the Atlantic basin reproduces the observed rise in hurricane counts between 1980 and 2006, along with much of the interannual variability, when forced with observed sea surface temperatures and atmospheric conditions. Here we assess, in our model system, the changes in large-scale climate that are projected to occur by the end of the twenty-first century by an ensemble of global climate models, and find that Atlantic hurricane and tropical storm frequencies are reduced. At the same time, near-storm rainfall rates increase substantially. Our results do not support the notion of large increasing trends in either tropical storm or hurricane frequency driven by increases in atmospheric greenhouse-gas concentrations.
quote:And about 2005, specifically, they were saying this: LINK
Tropical cyclones (TC) under different climate conditions in the Northern Hemisphere have been investigated with the Max Planck Institute (MPI) coupled (ECHAM5/MPI-OM) and atmosphere (ECHAM5) climate models ... While there is no significant change between the 19th and the 20th century, there is a considerable reduction in the number of the TC by some 20% in the 21st century, but no change in the number of the more intense storms. Reduction in the number of storms occurs in all regions.
quote:It's all well and good to dump on ALGORE but issuing gaseous accusations at "scientists" or "warmists" or "the AGW crowd" or whatever isn't well-supported. There has never been much of a consensus around hurricanes. There were some studies showing that this decrease in frequency would be accompanied by an increase in intensity among the hurricanes that DID form (e.g. Bender et al, Emanuel et al), but there was never much of a consensus either way. IPCC AR4 could only recite the dueling papers and speak of "a less certain possibility" and AR5 has even backed off that.
The latent heat loss from the tropical Atlantic and Caribbean was less in late spring and early summer 2005 than preceding years, due to anomalously weak trade winds associated with weaker SLP. This resulted in anomalously high SSTs. These factors contributed to earlier and more intense hurricanes in 2005. Similar conditions in the tropical Atlantic were seen in fall, also a time of active hurricane formation. While anomalous, these conditions in the Atlantic and Caribbean during 2004 and 2005 were not unprecedented and were equally favorable during the active hurricane seasons of 1958, 1969, 1980, 1995 and 1998.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:54 pm to wickowick
quote:Somebody better notify the Pacific side of things.
Higher CO2 levels prevent hurricanes...
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:57 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Somebody better notify the Pacific side of things.
LA gets sharknados.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:57 pm to Iosh
thanks that's good stuff. much appreciated
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:10 pm to Iosh
It's funny how fast tthe AGW crowd is running away from Al Gore, someone they admired just a few years ago. Didn't he share his Nobel Prize with the IPCC?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:22 pm to Al Dante
Just a few years ago, they couldn't let go of his joint and now they are distancing themselves.
I'll say this again, the earth has been warming and cooling for millions of years. Long before we got here and will be doing it long after we're gone.
Everyone is just trying to sell their agenda.
Speaking of used car salesman Al, did anything ever come out of Al Jezeera fricking him out of his money?
I'll say this again, the earth has been warming and cooling for millions of years. Long before we got here and will be doing it long after we're gone.
Everyone is just trying to sell their agenda.
Speaking of used car salesman Al, did anything ever come out of Al Jezeera fricking him out of his money?
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Tigah in the ATL
Can't answer basic questions like "What's the CO2 level supposed to be" and "If it is man made, What do we do about it?"
You can call me a flat earther I guess.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:33 pm to gatorrocks
quote:You may be on the cutting edge of the new reality... Reality may be flat.
You can call me a flat earther I guess.
quote:
The real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:35 pm to SirWinston
LINK
It's Global Warming, Stupid!
That was the headline imposed over a cover of a flooded section of lower Manhattan after Tropical Storm Sandy. 2005 Hurricane season was also touted as evidence that global warming is out of control.
The past 12 months have been much cooler than normal in my area and in much of the US. I'm looking forward to a bitterly cold winter in the northeast. It's going to be a great duck season.
It's Global Warming, Stupid!
That was the headline imposed over a cover of a flooded section of lower Manhattan after Tropical Storm Sandy. 2005 Hurricane season was also touted as evidence that global warming is out of control.
The past 12 months have been much cooler than normal in my area and in much of the US. I'm looking forward to a bitterly cold winter in the northeast. It's going to be a great duck season.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:38 pm to dante
quote:
Every year I do my own unscientific hurricane study during the week of the 4th of July in Gulf Shores. I predict the hurricane season based on the water temperature. The water this year was the coldest I can ever remember......my analysis....very mild hurricane season.
That only works if you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Otherwise your scientific method is suspect.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:41 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:Hence the irrationality of an "average global temperature" being a useful measure of anything.
Somebody better notify the Pacific side of things.
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:44 pm to SirWinston
There was a named storm in 92
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:46 pm to TigerMyth36
quote:Wouldn't that put me on the same level as some of these other scientists?
Otherwise your scientific method is suspect.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:49 pm to gatorrocks
quote:
Can't answer basic questions like "What's the CO2 level supposed to be" and "If it is man made, What do we do about it?"
Don't forget: "What is the "global" temperature supposed to be?"
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