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Jurgen supporters, gather here*
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:18 am
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:18 am
I've sat on this one for a day, but I'm jumping on the Klinsy bandwagon.
Bob Ley said it best on ESPN this morning, when he compared the Landon omission to the Sterling case: "It's shocking...if you haven't been paying attention for 18 months."
Yeah, it's still surprising, and yeah, Donovan could help this team. But I trust Jurgen's instincts on this one.
Let's not act like this decision doesn't put that much more pressure on JK. He could have easily let Donovan come along, and no one would have said a word.
Instead, he a made a tough decision, and one that he believed in. I read quotes like this from Alejandro Bedoya and wonder if Donovan has the same mindset:
I just don't know that Landon has that drive anymore, and you need that to get out of the Group of Death. Maybe he does, but I'm not sure, and Jurgen definitely isn't. You need to be sure in a WC.
Donovan himself said his body can't handle the training regiment anymore. He said he can't be consistent for 10 straight days. That's a must in the WC.
I'm not saying I agree with JK's decision. In fact, I disagree. I think Landon should be there. But I support the decision. I support this coach. I support this team.
*This post rendered moot when someone gets hurt and Cakes is called in, only to score the winning goal against Germany
Bob Ley said it best on ESPN this morning, when he compared the Landon omission to the Sterling case: "It's shocking...if you haven't been paying attention for 18 months."
Yeah, it's still surprising, and yeah, Donovan could help this team. But I trust Jurgen's instincts on this one.
Let's not act like this decision doesn't put that much more pressure on JK. He could have easily let Donovan come along, and no one would have said a word.
Instead, he a made a tough decision, and one that he believed in. I read quotes like this from Alejandro Bedoya and wonder if Donovan has the same mindset:
quote:
Alejandro Bedoya described the ordeal with the touch of a poet: "Your legs go first, then your lungs constrict, and you spit up in vain after every lap, but you keep your eyes on your competitors and that keeps you going," he said. "I kept telling myself, this is for the team, this is for my family, this is for Brazil, this is for Ghana."
I just don't know that Landon has that drive anymore, and you need that to get out of the Group of Death. Maybe he does, but I'm not sure, and Jurgen definitely isn't. You need to be sure in a WC.
Donovan himself said his body can't handle the training regiment anymore. He said he can't be consistent for 10 straight days. That's a must in the WC.
I'm not saying I agree with JK's decision. In fact, I disagree. I think Landon should be there. But I support the decision. I support this coach. I support this team.
*This post rendered moot when someone gets hurt and Cakes is called in, only to score the winning goal against Germany
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:32 am to Stewie Griffin
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Bob Ley said it best on ESPN this morning, when he compared the Landon omission to the Sterling case: "It's shocking...if you haven't been paying attention for 18 months."
I've been paying very close attention for the last 18 months and it's still shocking. Anyone that says differently is lying.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:34 am to arkyhawk
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I've been paying very close attention for the last 18 months and it's still shocking. Anyone that says differently is lying.
He later restated that in a more accurate way, as in, you could see it coming, but it's still shocking.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:36 am to Stewie Griffin
Also, Landon is fat.
#manboobs
#manboobs
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:41 am to Stewie Griffin
Jurgen's problem is that people already thought he had perceived biases toward certain players and that he has pulled this power trip crap before with Germany and Ballack.
Even if it is the right decision his past and perceptions some people have about him make it seem like there could be more to it than simply Donovan not being the best option.
Even if it is the right decision his past and perceptions some people have about him make it seem like there could be more to it than simply Donovan not being the best option.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:44 am to RandySavage
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make it seem like there could be more to it than simply Donovan not being the best option.
I get that. I'm just admitting that I will assume the best, for now. I could be totally wrong and this is an ego trip, or it could be that JK is doing what he genuinely thinks is best for the team.
I will believe the latter. I refuse to watch a World Cup pessimistically.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:56 am to Stewie Griffin
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Donovan himself said his body can't handle the training regiment anymore. He said he can't be consistent for 10 straight days. That's a must in the WC.
Players roles change over time for a reason. He seemed to be willing to occupy a new role. Telling everyone that you're getting old when you're getting old isn't a character flaw. He more or less indicated that this was going to be his final tournament with the national team. I'm sure he had a little extra saved up for it. Nothing coming out of camp made it seem like this wasn't the case.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:58 am to Stewie Griffin
There's been a lot of talk about how good Donovan was in the Gold Cup last summer.
I think we can all agree he still looked to "have it" then.
So what happened between then and now?
He is undoubtedly out of shape? Why?
He is undoubtedly in poor form with the Galaxy? Why?
He made a lot of comments about not being able to practice hard everyday? Why did he say that to the media?
Why didn't he go on loan somewhere in the offseason to maintain his form and compete at a higher level?
It all adds up to Landon himself not acting like he wants to be a part of this team.
I am not at all convinced that Landon wouldn't have scored or assisted a couple of goals at the World Cup, but I know that Landon could have done some things in the last 6 months to show that he wanted to be there, and he didn't do those things.
I think we can all agree he still looked to "have it" then.
So what happened between then and now?
He is undoubtedly out of shape? Why?
He is undoubtedly in poor form with the Galaxy? Why?
He made a lot of comments about not being able to practice hard everyday? Why did he say that to the media?
Why didn't he go on loan somewhere in the offseason to maintain his form and compete at a higher level?
It all adds up to Landon himself not acting like he wants to be a part of this team.
I am not at all convinced that Landon wouldn't have scored or assisted a couple of goals at the World Cup, but I know that Landon could have done some things in the last 6 months to show that he wanted to be there, and he didn't do those things.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:04 am to uway
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It all adds up to Landon himself not acting like he wants to be a part of this team.
Yet, he was there and reportedly training hard
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:06 am to Stewie Griffin
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I get that. I'm just admitting that I will assume the best, for now. I could be totally wrong and this is an ego trip, or it could be that JK is doing what he genuinely thinks is best for the team.
I will believe the latter. I refuse to watch a World Cup pessimistically.
I said this same thing to a buddy in a discussion about the omission this morning. If I am going to enjoy the games this summer, I have to have faith that every decision is in the best interest of the US winning. So I have to believe that it is due to Landon not bringing enough to the team to include him. I do this because I do not want to end up like half of LSU football fans who think that Miles picks players for stupid non football issues and are miserable during the season.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:07 am to Stewie Griffin
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Jurgen supporters, gather here*
I'm all in.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:10 am to 3rdRowTailgater
Klinsmann knows what he's doing, right?
And if not, he'll be fired after the World Cup.
So this will all be coming to an climax/ending VERY soon.
And if not, he'll be fired after the World Cup.
So this will all be coming to an climax/ending VERY soon.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:11 am to 3rdRowTailgater
IN.
I think it's kind of funny that a bunch of FIFA(video game) experts are up in arms over Jurgen's decision to leave Landon out.
Like, they genuinely believe they know more about football than Jurgen Klinsmann.
I think it's kind of funny that a bunch of FIFA(video game) experts are up in arms over Jurgen's decision to leave Landon out.
Like, they genuinely believe they know more about football than Jurgen Klinsmann.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:11 am to Dandy Lion
Realized this morning that we won't have Donovan to take PKs
I'm sure Dempsey will fill in admirably
I'm sure Dempsey will fill in admirably
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:11 am to Stewie Griffin
quote:
I'm not saying I agree with JK's decision. In fact, I disagree. I think Landon should be there. But I support the decision. I support this coach. I support this team.
This seems like the healthy perspective to me.
I am also predisposed to thinking Landon would be more of an asset than some of the other players. However - I did not see the training sessions of the past week, so I can't say for sure. And I believe that the coaching staff is in a position to make that call.
I don't think Jurgen wanted it to be this way. I believe he would love nothing more than to have a 2010-era Lando in his side, but I give him credit for making this decision that was sure to have an enormous amount of vitriolic backlash.
mca
This post was edited on 5/23/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:13 am to hendersonshands
Sorry, Hendo.
That's just how I feel. A video game has created a generation of armchair football managers.
That's just how I feel. A video game has created a generation of armchair football managers.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 10:15 am to hendersonshands
Do you think Philipp Lahm modeled Bayern's team using their formation on FIFA after Klinsmann didn't tell them what to do?
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