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IRS awards bonuses to > 2,800 workers facing disciplinary action.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:04 pm
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service has paid more than $2.8 million in bonuses to employees with recent disciplinary problems, including $1 million to workers who owed back taxes, a government investigator said Tuesday.
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George arrives on Capitol Hill in Washington, Monday, June 3, 2013 (AP)
More than 2,800 workers got bonuses despite facing a disciplinary action in the previous year, including 1,150 who owed back taxes, said a report by J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration. The bonuses were awarded from October 2010 through December 2012.
George’s report said the bonus program doesn’t violate federal regulations, but it’s inconsistent with the IRS mission to enforce tax laws.
“These awards are designed to recognize and reward IRS employees for a job well done, and that is appropriate, because the IRS should encourage good performance,” George said. “However, while not prohibited, providing awards to employees who have been disciplined for failing to pay federal taxes appears to create a conflict with the IRS’s charge of ensuring the integrity of the system of tax administration.”
Other examples of misconduct by workers getting bonuses included misusing government credit cards for travel, drug use, violent threats and fraudulently claiming unemployment benefits.
The IRS said it has developed a new policy linking conduct and performance bonuses for executives and senior level employees.
“Even without a formal policy in place over the past four years, the IRS has not issued awards to any executives that were subject to a disciplinary action,” the IRS said in a statement. “We are also considering a similar policy for the entire IRS workforce, which would be subject to negotiations with the National Treasury Employees Union.”
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:17 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I don't have a problem with this. In all honesty, IRS agents need raises and bonuses.
Even with government benefits, they are underpaid overall. The IRS has trouble attracting talent and skilled agents because they don't pay market value. They are always going to be behind the accountants and attorneys due to below market pay.
I could go work for the irs if I wanted about a 50% pay cut.
Even with government benefits, they are underpaid overall. The IRS has trouble attracting talent and skilled agents because they don't pay market value. They are always going to be behind the accountants and attorneys due to below market pay.
I could go work for the irs if I wanted about a 50% pay cut.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:18 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I don't have a problem with this. In all honesty, IRS agents need raises and bonuses.
I have a better idea, flat tax and SHUT THEM DOWN.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:22 pm to wickowick
Ok, fine but might as well try and find a unicorn. Better chance of that.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:42 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Dumb arse Miami, there are multiple fields where the Government sector is underpaid compared to their peers. For example, oil and gas, medical, etc..Yet the overwhelming majority of the Federal workforce is greatly overpaid in comparison to the public sector.
Being an underpaid f up with disciplinary issues does not justify a bonus. Particularly when most of the Federal workforce get a 1-2% bonus for showing up and signing in....if they aren't telecommuting from their damn house .
Being an underpaid f up with disciplinary issues does not justify a bonus. Particularly when most of the Federal workforce get a 1-2% bonus for showing up and signing in....if they aren't telecommuting from their damn house .
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:44 pm to Federal Tiger
You're stupid. Chances are if they didn't give them bonuses they would leave and the irs would have to replace them with even more ignorant frick ups.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:46 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:Hmm. I'm sure some accountants do make more but, according to their website, an IRS agent in my neck of the woods starts at $72K and ends up at about $101K.
I don't have a problem with this. In all honesty, IRS agents need raises and bonuses.
Even with government benefits, they are underpaid overall. The IRS has trouble attracting talent and skilled agents because they don't pay market value. They are always going to be behind the accountants and attorneys due to below market pay.
Meanwhile, according to US News, the median salary for accountants is $63K with the "top 10% earning about $111K.
So, the numbers don't back up your assertion.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:47 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Dumb arse Miami
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You're stupid.
You guys are a major part of the problem.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:53 pm to Federal Tiger
Also, a 1-2% bonus?
I'm guaranteed a $5k bonus this year. Sorta showing up and not getting myself fired will get it done for the $5k. $10k discressionary bonus on top of that is probably about right for performing well, more if the firm does well.
So, my base is probably close to double an irs agent with the same number of years experience and my bonus may be 10-20 times as much.
You do not seem to comprehend this situation very well. The IRS probably has a hell of a time just geeting their better agents to show up period and not go make a lot more in the private sector. The bonuses referred to are probably the bare minimum to even maintain an acceptable level of turnover.
I'm guaranteed a $5k bonus this year. Sorta showing up and not getting myself fired will get it done for the $5k. $10k discressionary bonus on top of that is probably about right for performing well, more if the firm does well.
So, my base is probably close to double an irs agent with the same number of years experience and my bonus may be 10-20 times as much.
You do not seem to comprehend this situation very well. The IRS probably has a hell of a time just geeting their better agents to show up period and not go make a lot more in the private sector. The bonuses referred to are probably the bare minimum to even maintain an acceptable level of turnover.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:58 pm to ShortyRob
Well, I'm a decent amount above the top ten percent and I have less than ten years of accounting experience. You have to remember accountants can include bookkeepers, cost accountants, even auditors. Tax accountants make more on average than anyone in the profession.
A first year tax associate in the big four starts close to 60, usuallywith a signing and annual bonus. And accounting is a pyramid structure. A five year tax accountant in the big 4 90k plus if they make manager. The same irs person is not that close and falling further behind every year.
A first year tax associate in the big four starts close to 60, usuallywith a signing and annual bonus. And accounting is a pyramid structure. A five year tax accountant in the big 4 90k plus if they make manager. The same irs person is not that close and falling further behind every year.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:14 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Tiger - I am saying a 1-2% bonus is simply handed out to under-performers. Those workers worth a crap get more or a QSI - quality step increase - in their pay.
I hear this all of the time in my sector. If they're so good - the door is always open. Most of the people saying they can make a lot more in the private sector are the worst offenders and would never last a week in private industry. They get all of the perks of public sector job protection after a year of services and basically realize they can do nothing and be paid pretty well.
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The IRS probably has a hell of a time just geeting their better agents to show up period and not go make a lot more in the private sector.
I hear this all of the time in my sector. If they're so good - the door is always open. Most of the people saying they can make a lot more in the private sector are the worst offenders and would never last a week in private industry. They get all of the perks of public sector job protection after a year of services and basically realize they can do nothing and be paid pretty well.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:15 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Tax accountants make more on average than anyone in the profession.
I think I am starting to see the problem. If we simplify the Tax code with drastic and necessary changes like a Flat or Fair Tax and the high flying tax accountants' government backed annuity would wither away.
Or, we can keep "fixing" it with new deductions, credits, incentives, subsidies, and social engineering. The new health care enhancements ought to keep tax accountants in the money - IRS and Private.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:16 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:k . . . thanks for sharing
I could go work for the irs if I wanted about a 50% pay cut.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:18 pm to Yat27
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You guys are a major part of the problem.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:19 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:How does their retirement/bene pkg compare?
The same irs person is not that close and falling further behind every year.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:34 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Mmmm huh...and while Obama turns drug thugs back on the streets.
Up is down. Black is white. "Behold, I will send them great delusion, that they WILL believe a lie" (biblical).
Fascinating. Humbling.
Up is down. Black is white. "Behold, I will send them great delusion, that they WILL believe a lie" (biblical).
Fascinating. Humbling.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:35 pm to NC_Tigah
Dunno about an irs agents retirement package so I can only say what I know...
Tax professionals retirement packages vary. Work for a law firm and you are usually talking a much higher salary but with no pension and fewer retirement benefits.
Work for a large national firm and you are usually talking averageplan, like 401k and Roth 401k with 50% matching up to 6%.
Big 4 firms are the same but some are starting to stack a 4-7% pension contribution each year on top.
So, overall, decent but nohing great in the private sector.
Tax professionals retirement packages vary. Work for a law firm and you are usually talking a much higher salary but with no pension and fewer retirement benefits.
Work for a large national firm and you are usually talking averageplan, like 401k and Roth 401k with 50% matching up to 6%.
Big 4 firms are the same but some are starting to stack a 4-7% pension contribution each year on top.
So, overall, decent but nohing great in the private sector.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:36 pm to CptBengal
What is bullshite captain numbnuts?
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