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re: House of Cards S2 E13 Discussion Thread (Anchor) *SPOILERS*

Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:16 pm to
Posted by Emiliooo
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:16 pm to
Seriously, he fricked over the President. He's extremely manipulative.

I hope that Rachael rides in guns blazing next season

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Posted by House_of Cards
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 11:40 pm to
I predict Luke kills FU.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:01 am to
Walter White: I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS.

Frank Underwood: No, bitch. That would be me.
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:21 am to
There was one thing that I missed. It's not really regarding ep 13 but seems like a good place to ask because no risk of spoiling anyone:

How and why did the hacker guy end up tracking and spying on Stamper? I don't know where I missed that.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:23 am to
He had access to the AT&T network, and was watching Rachel.
Posted by GetCocky11
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:25 am to
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I'm still shocked that Doug got killed off.

It kind of made sense with Seth's emergence, but, my jaw still dropped.


Also, Doug was the guy who protected Underwood. Doug did all the dirty work.

Without Doug, Underwood is a bit isolated and exposed. Sure, Seth is around now, but he is no Doug.

I'm expected Season 3 to be the last season and Underwood will fall hard.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:29 am to
The good thing for Underwood is that Doug had taken care of a lot of the things he was concerned about.

The obviously very, very bad thing for Underwood is that Rachel is very, very likely to be caught in Doug's car. That is going to be basically impossible to explain. I have to assume that they'll get around that. The reason I say that is that they're going to want to give us at least a little while of Frank in office, so Rachel will have to be handled one way or another.
Posted by npersa1
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:48 am to
I finished watching the season last night.

The one big question I have, however, is how did Remy Danton get the picture of Claire in bed from Adam Galloway, the photographer?

One episode showed Remy in Galloway's shop saying "I'll take them all," but as far as I saw, Galloway was NOT displaying the picture of the vice president's wife in his shop. Was the photo on display there and I just missed it?

Are we supposed to assume the picture was mixed in with Remy's big purchase? Why would Galloway even sell that photo since he was supposedly so close to Claire? That seems like a huge betrayal of her trust, and wasn't that photo supposed to just be part of his personal collection, not the collection he sells at his shop?

And even if the photo was in his shop, how could his assistant and other buyers not realize that it's a picture of the vice president's wife - she's been ALL over TV and such with the rape discussion, so I'm pretty sure even an average joe would recognize her.
Posted by TaxmanMSU
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:52 am to
This show likes to jump around and leap frog happenings.


They showed Remy purchasing art photos from Galloway's assistant. What they didn't show is what he purchased after that, which was any damaging photos of Claire.
Posted by npersa1
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 8:59 am to
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This show likes to jump around and leap frog happenings.


They showed Remy purchasing art photos from Galloway's assistant. What they didn't show is what he purchased after that, which was any damaging photos of Claire.


Am I crazy or did it not "jump around and leap frog" as much in the first season?

And showing Remy buying the art from Galloway's shop with the assistant just is NOT enough of an explanation in my mind -- either Galloway seriously goofed and had that photo on display at the store (which, then I wonder why no one at the shop, like assistant or other shoppers, noticed it was of the VP's wife) in turn getting it to Remy accidentally, or Galloway made the conscious decision to betray Claire's trust and turn the photo over to Remy. There's just a missing piece there that isn't explained in any way, and that's pretty weak, imho. I just find it really hard to believe Claire's long-time, "true" lover would throw her under the bus so quickly and without any showing of it.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:00 am to
I'm doing a rewatch starting tonight. I'll watch for an answer.
Posted by npersa1
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:03 am to
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I'm doing a rewatch starting tonight. I'll watch for an answer.



Awesome. Thanks! I could have just missed that photo being on display, but even if that is the case, it does still leave me with the question of how the assistant and no one else recognized it was Claire, who would have been a well-know public figure by then via her rape discussion.

But another "leap frog" example would be Jackie actually getting elected. Once she made the deal with Frank to screw over the old man, the viewers did just have to piece together that she became whip, even without the show including an actual vote.

Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:06 am to
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But another "leap frog" example would be Jackie actually getting elected. Once she made the deal with Frank to screw over the old man, the viewers did just have to piece together that she became whip, even without the show including an actual vote.
It was clearly explained that she would have all of the votes needed if she took that action. It's the same reason they didn't show the entire quorum call again when voting on the budget deal and the reason they didn't show all of the votes on that.

There are some things that we would be bored as hell watching.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:07 am to
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Awesome. Thanks! I could have just missed that photo being on display, but even if that is the case, it does still leave me with the question of how the assistant and no one else recognized it was Claire, who would have been a well-know public figure by then via her rape discussion.
Also, I'll take a quick guess (for some reason I don't remember those episodes nearly as well as others). He offered to buy all of her works; not all of his. He may have bought all of her works as a bribe.
Posted by Emiliooo
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:09 am to
I never thought how they got that picture. I wasn't really paying attention to all the details. I need to go back through and rewatch some of the episodes to clear up some of the questions I was having.

So how much does Rachael know again? I know that she was with Russo the night of his death, but I can't remember what role she had after that.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:14 am to
Rachel was there when he got his DUI, and was also his reason for falling off the wagon the second time, when Frank killed him.

They had her seduce him the second time because she was already in their pocket and they'd set her up with the apartment and job.

Paying her off the first time wasn't that big of a deal and she may have never come up again, except that they needed to get Peter off the wagon and make his death look like a suicide.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:16 am to
So is Christina completely gone? I thought she would end up being a major thorn in Underwoods side by looking into Russo's death. Maybe that's not until next season.
Posted by npersa1
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:16 am to
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There are some things that we would be bored as hell watching.



I completely agree, and generally, they've done a good job of cutting out the boring turn-of-the-gear procedures of politics. Like with Jackie becoming whip, even though they didn't show the actual votes or her being like "hooray, I'm now whip," it's easy enough - and clear enough - to understand how she got there and that it happened.

The picture, in my mind, is a different story. They leap frogged over something that, to me, seems unbelievable - Galloway selling out Claire. Even if they had some bad terms last season, that just seems like an ongoing part of their affair that both dealt with and maybe didn't really mind.

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He offered to buy all of her works; not all of his. He may have bought all of her works as a bribe.


Ah, this could be. I though Remy was buying Galloway's photos, not the assistant's photos? How'd the assistant know about Claire and Galloway then? Season 1 stuff?

But then a whole separate hole is that not a single person who was at Galloway's season 1 party with Claire came forward to say "oh, hey, yeah, I was at Adam's party a year ago and I think I remember Claire being there."

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So how much does Rachael know again?


Too much.
Posted by npersa1
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:20 am to
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So is Christina completely gone?


Yeah, I think she'll wind up hurting Frank because she still cares about Russo. I thought she was gonna have a bigger role this season too.

But the next season, imho, Frank falls hard. Janine and the former editor will work with the imprisoned journalist to somehow get news out, and Christina, the hackers and Rachel help them connect the dots in the story.
Posted by FT
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:20 am to
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But then a whole separate hole is that not a single person who was at Galloway's season 1 party with Claire came forward to say "oh, hey, yeah, I was at Adam's party a year ago and I think I remember Claire being there."
Remember though that she was just one of many guests, and that he was a big contributor to the CWI. People knew they were friends.
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