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Jimmay Graham is a WR, not TE

Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:34 am
Posted by Midget Death Squad
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:34 am
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Under Article 9, Section 2 of the CBA, “[T]he tender will apply to the position in which the player participated in the most plays.” Thus, if Graham was lined up wide or in the slot more times than he was lined up as a tight end, he’s a receiver.



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The Saints could counter by arguing that the tight end position has changed in recent years, and that a tight end can be a tight end without lining up half the time as a tight end. To support their argument, the Saints could calculate the tight end vs. slot/wide percentages for other tight ends on other teams who ultimately were paid as tight ends, not as receivers.




I don't know the percentages, but my naked eye tells me he lines up as a WR. It also tells me he plays like a WR. I realize his official team position is TE, but realistically he is a WR. Here's the issue for me: TE is a hybrid receiver and blocker, a position that is utilized in both aspects to take advantage of circumstances. Jimmay though is riding the pine whenever we are running the ball, because he can not block. This is actually a great hinderance for the team, because, as this past game showed us, when he is not on the field it is a run play. Teams see this, know this and play accordingly.

Fair is fair. I would love for us to sign him to a TE contract, but it's not right to play him as a WR and expect him to be paid as a TE. I don't think there's much of an argument for the Saints on this one. They can show other TE's utilization all they want, but all that will do is drive the argument across the board that those unique players are actually WR's. There are still true TE's in the league, and those guys wills till get TE money. Just not Jimmay, nor should he
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
65722 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:37 am to
Be quite Jimmy Graham's agent.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
65722 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:41 am to
I've looked Mr Jimmy Grahams agent but can't find a single WR in the history of the NFL that weighed 270lbs.
Also would say that if your client blocked better he would not be put out wide as often.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29813 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:44 am to
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but it's not right to play him as a WR and expect him to be paid as a TE.

If you're comparing Jimmy to Dennis Pitta, Gronk, Clark, or Witten, hes the elite, best of the best.

If you're comparing Jimmy to AJ Green, or Megatron, not so much.

I think his agent should be careful with this.
Posted by CarlJH25
Slidell
Member since Apr 2009
180 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:50 am to
This is why I am not sure it is wise to keep Graham. He is positioning himself to ask for Johnson/Fitz type money. No way in hell would I pay that for him.
Posted by iwasthere
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
1890 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:45 am to
You are missing a key piece of this argument. We need to see what the NFL and the CBA classifies a TE and WR as. Do any of these specifically state that if a TE lines up wide, he is now considered a WR? If a TE is allowed to line up wide, then he is still a TE. An offensive lineman has to report as an eligible receiver when he lines up as a TE. A TE doesn't when he lines up wide. There is a lot of area here not covered in your argument.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
33347 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:46 am to
I think he gets tagged as a WR/TE hybrid. Same thing Suggs got when he was tagged as a DE/OLB hybrid.
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
THE REAL MJ
Member since Jan 2007
22133 posts
Posted on 1/13/14 at 10:47 am to
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I don't think there's much of an argument for the Saints on this one


I love Jimmy as much as anyone, but he completely disappeared in the second half of the season and he did NOTHING when lined up against the opposing teams top corners. That would be my argument.

If he's demanding top WR money....Well, it's been real, Jimmy.

Sainst MUST have money to resign Jordan. Top pass rusher in his prime >>>>>>>>>>> pass catching TE who didn't make any memorable plays in the biggest spots
Posted by ASTL
In a cubicle
Member since Jan 2014
757 posts
Posted on 1/14/14 at 2:40 pm to
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Jimmy Graham is a marshmallow soft WR, not TE
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