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Are Pac - 12 defenses trending up?
Posted on 5/18/13 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/18/13 at 2:52 pm
UW will be greatly improved in their second season under Wilcox. Shelton, Timu, Parker and Thompson give them a star at every level.
Oregon State needs to replace the middle of their defense but have Chrichton, Wynn, Doctor, Alexander and two returning safeties that should make them improved.
Oregon will be better except at linebacker. It's hard to argue that they could maintain at linebacker after losing Jordan (#3 overall pick) and Alonso (#46 overall pick) and the leading tackler from last year, Michael Clay. However, the overall defense should be better with last year's true freshman trifecta (Arik Armstead, DeForest Buckner, and Alex Balducci) gaining in experience to blend experience (Heimuli, Keliikipi and Hart) with top shelf talent on the DLINE. The secondary just gets deeper.
Stanford - I can't say enough about this defense, so I will stop.
USC - they should have a formidable front seven returning most of the front seven including stud Morgan Breslin. These guys were terriblely inexperienced last year but athletically gifted. It should come together.
UCLA - They have some nice pieces and a couple great recruiting classes under their belt. Barr is a freak.
I have seen Anthony Barr, Ifo Ekpre Olomu, Danny Shelton, Scott Chrichton, Trent Murphy, Morgan Breslin, Will Sutton, Ed Reynolds, DeAndre Coleman given 1st round or high second round draft grades. The Pac is setting up to have a banner year, especially when you add in the offensive side of the ball with Colt Lyerla, Austin Saferian Jenkins, Marquis Lee, De'Anthony Thomas, Ka'Deem Carey, David Yankey, and Marcus Mariota.
Oregon State needs to replace the middle of their defense but have Chrichton, Wynn, Doctor, Alexander and two returning safeties that should make them improved.
Oregon will be better except at linebacker. It's hard to argue that they could maintain at linebacker after losing Jordan (#3 overall pick) and Alonso (#46 overall pick) and the leading tackler from last year, Michael Clay. However, the overall defense should be better with last year's true freshman trifecta (Arik Armstead, DeForest Buckner, and Alex Balducci) gaining in experience to blend experience (Heimuli, Keliikipi and Hart) with top shelf talent on the DLINE. The secondary just gets deeper.
Stanford - I can't say enough about this defense, so I will stop.
USC - they should have a formidable front seven returning most of the front seven including stud Morgan Breslin. These guys were terriblely inexperienced last year but athletically gifted. It should come together.
UCLA - They have some nice pieces and a couple great recruiting classes under their belt. Barr is a freak.
I have seen Anthony Barr, Ifo Ekpre Olomu, Danny Shelton, Scott Chrichton, Trent Murphy, Morgan Breslin, Will Sutton, Ed Reynolds, DeAndre Coleman given 1st round or high second round draft grades. The Pac is setting up to have a banner year, especially when you add in the offensive side of the ball with Colt Lyerla, Austin Saferian Jenkins, Marquis Lee, De'Anthony Thomas, Ka'Deem Carey, David Yankey, and Marcus Mariota.
This post was edited on 5/18/13 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/18/13 at 2:58 pm to bisonduck
There are plenty of great athletes out there. There just will never be the depth that teams in the south are able to accumulate. Add the more creative offenses wearing the thinner defenses out to varying degrees and you won't have the statistical equals of the SEC. However that doesn't mean there is a lack of talent, just not the hordes of front 7 beasts the bamas, Lsu, Floridas of the wworld enjoy.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 3:03 pm to bisonduck
Short answer: No
Long answer: seriously no.
Long answer: seriously no.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 3:03 pm to St Augustine
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There just will never be the depth that teams in the south are able to accumulate.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 3:11 pm to St Augustine
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However that doesn't mean there is a lack of talent, just not the hordes of front 7 beasts the bamas, Lsu, Floridas of the wworld enjoy.
That's not my point. The Pac - 12 took a dip with sanctions to USC and the fall of UW. 2000/2001 with UW, Oregon State, Oregon had some premier defenses. Then it was all USC. There seems to be a rising tide right now in the PAC.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:14 pm to bisonduck
Did you mean Thompson for UW?
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:16 pm to TDawg1313
Yes. I think I mixed him up with Kasen on the other side.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:21 pm to bisonduck
prepping your excuse for when oregon falls flat without chip?
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:23 pm to TH03
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prepping your excuse for when oregon falls flat without chip?
What excuse???
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:26 pm to bisonduck
"look at the defenses we had to play"
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:27 pm to TH03
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"look at the defenses we had to play"
Oh, I didn't think of it that way. I think Stanford wins the Pac with or without Chip. Oregon has 20+ year position coaches. I don't think much will change.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:38 pm to Bayou
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PAC 12 is weak, overall
The question is are they trending up relative to themselves. I can't name a team that should regress talent wise. I have most trending up, especially on defense.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 4:44 pm to TH03
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prepping your excuse for when oregon falls flat without chip?
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:19 pm to bisonduck
No one is stopping Mike Leach, Rich Rod, Todd Graham, Sonny Dykes, Mike Riley, Helfirch(sp? he new Oregon coach) consistently.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 6:44 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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No one is stopping Mike Leach, Rich Rod, Todd Graham, Sonny Dykes, Mike Riley, Helfirch(sp? he new Oregon coach) consistently.
I speaking more to talent than numbers. Pac - 12 schools are going to have a hard time with tempo to have good overall numbers. However, the pure talent is better than in recent years.
Posted on 5/18/13 at 8:38 pm to bisonduck
I hope so
I'd be interested to see how cfb would change if other conferences started to put the same emphasis on recruiting/playing their most skilled players on the defensive side of the ball instead of automatically slotting them in for offense
I'd be interested to see how cfb would change if other conferences started to put the same emphasis on recruiting/playing their most skilled players on the defensive side of the ball instead of automatically slotting them in for offense
This post was edited on 5/18/13 at 8:46 pm
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