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Quick Comparison of Low Noise 22 LR Loads
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:40 pm
Hey guys,
The topic of different low noise 22 LR loads to use for pest control has been mentioned here a couple different times. My shooting has been done w/ a number of different 22 LR's, mostly the Ruger M 77/22 and Ruger 10/22. My personal experience w/ a number of different subsonic loads has been disappointing. While they've been accurate, to my ears, their muzzle blast has been only minimally less than regular high velocity 22 LR's. CCI 22 Short HP's are MUCH more quiet than high velocity rounds, but accuracy has been dismal; in addition, they will not feed from the magazines of the 77/22 or 10/22. I finally found a box of CCI CB 22 Long's. Muzzle velocity is 710 fps. Think of this as a "short" sized bullet in a "long rifle" sized case. The bullet is a lead round nose and weighs 29 grains. It feeds well in all my Ruger magazines. Accuracy is slightly better than the Shorts, but still not very good. The noise signature is about the same as the shorts.
I had read about a new load from CCI called the "Quiet-22." I found a 50 round box at a gun show 2 weeks ago for $2.95. It has a 40 grain lead round nose bullet atop a long rifle case. It feeds nicely from Ruger mags. Velocity, like the "CB 22 Longs," is 710 fps. Muzzle noise sounds like the Shorts and "CB 22 Longs." But, it's MUCH more accurate than the others.
Just before dark, I shot a quick 4 shot group of the "CB 22 Longs," as well as a 5 shot group of the "Quiet-22." Distance was 25 yards. I was fighting dark so the shooting was quick and off a table w/o any other support.
Here's a pic. CB 22 Long on left, "Quiet-22" on the right. The "Quiet-22" group was only 0.35" center to center. This new round looks promising. I hope to try it out on some unwanted pests.
The topic of different low noise 22 LR loads to use for pest control has been mentioned here a couple different times. My shooting has been done w/ a number of different 22 LR's, mostly the Ruger M 77/22 and Ruger 10/22. My personal experience w/ a number of different subsonic loads has been disappointing. While they've been accurate, to my ears, their muzzle blast has been only minimally less than regular high velocity 22 LR's. CCI 22 Short HP's are MUCH more quiet than high velocity rounds, but accuracy has been dismal; in addition, they will not feed from the magazines of the 77/22 or 10/22. I finally found a box of CCI CB 22 Long's. Muzzle velocity is 710 fps. Think of this as a "short" sized bullet in a "long rifle" sized case. The bullet is a lead round nose and weighs 29 grains. It feeds well in all my Ruger magazines. Accuracy is slightly better than the Shorts, but still not very good. The noise signature is about the same as the shorts.
I had read about a new load from CCI called the "Quiet-22." I found a 50 round box at a gun show 2 weeks ago for $2.95. It has a 40 grain lead round nose bullet atop a long rifle case. It feeds nicely from Ruger mags. Velocity, like the "CB 22 Longs," is 710 fps. Muzzle noise sounds like the Shorts and "CB 22 Longs." But, it's MUCH more accurate than the others.
Just before dark, I shot a quick 4 shot group of the "CB 22 Longs," as well as a 5 shot group of the "Quiet-22." Distance was 25 yards. I was fighting dark so the shooting was quick and off a table w/o any other support.
Here's a pic. CB 22 Long on left, "Quiet-22" on the right. The "Quiet-22" group was only 0.35" center to center. This new round looks promising. I hope to try it out on some unwanted pests.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:43 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I'll definitely have to look into that.
My henry shoots CB longs decent, CB shorts horribly, and CCI standard velocity very well
My henry shoots CB longs decent, CB shorts horribly, and CCI standard velocity very well
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:14 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
The only subsonic/low noise rounds I have shot from my stock 10/22 has been the CCI 22 CB Longs. They are not powerful enough to cycle the action and effectively make the gun a bolt-action. This cartridge only has an effective accurate range of about 25 yards, but are still fun as hell to shoot because they won't alarm any neighbors. They are about as loud as a car door slamming. I have a .177 air gun that shoots louder.
Does this new CCI Quiet-22 cartridge cycle the semi-auto action?
Does this new CCI Quiet-22 cartridge cycle the semi-auto action?
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:27 pm to Tbobby
Tbobby,
I only shot the "Quiet-22" loads in the 77/22. I'd be surprised if they'll cycle the action of a semi-auto. The Shorts and CB 22 Longs won't cycle my 10/22's. I'll try the the "Quiet-22" in the future, but for now I'll just assume they won't work the action.
I only shot the "Quiet-22" loads in the 77/22. I'd be surprised if they'll cycle the action of a semi-auto. The Shorts and CB 22 Longs won't cycle my 10/22's. I'll try the the "Quiet-22" in the future, but for now I'll just assume they won't work the action.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 5:41 am to TigerOnThe Hill
nice grouping on the right
have you tried the "powderless" .22 ammo? its made by an italian company and is quiet. accuracy out to 15 yds is really good.
have you tried the "powderless" .22 ammo? its made by an italian company and is quiet. accuracy out to 15 yds is really good.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 5:57 am to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:
Think of this as a "short" sized bullet in a "long rifle" sized case. The bullet is a lead round nose and weighs 29 grains.
This is correct. The short and long CCI's only have the primer in the round, no gunpowder. The longs seat better in my Henry as well and give me better accuracy. I'm not sure how quiet the "quiet-22" is compared to Remington’s "subsonic" loads, but you might want to give those a try.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 6:12 am to Junky
quote:
The short and long CCI's only have the primer in the round, no gunpowder.
really? i didn't know that
Posted on 12/14/12 at 6:31 am to TigerOnThe Hill
You sir are always very informative
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:17 am to TigerOnThe Hill
I compared the Remington shorts and the CCI Quiets out of a little single shot (daughter's Christmas present) last weekend. The Quiets were much less noisy than the Remingtons, but both were much louder from my gun than the true CB caps.
And mine shot the CCI Quiets well also. Much better than the Remingtons.
And mine shot the CCI Quiets well also. Much better than the Remingtons.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:44 am to KingRanch
Super Colibri is the name of the other quiet .22 ammo
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:44 am to tenfoe
I had been using CCI CB Longs(29gr)...but the new CCI Quiet(40gr) does a much better job at the same noise level.
First one taken with CCI Quiet.
First one taken with CCI Quiet.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:49 am to Skywalker
Sweet setup. Tell me about it.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:03 am to Judge Smails
Ruger 10/22 Receiver Stock
Bolt Reworked and Jeweling (CPC)
All VQ parts on the inside (Me)
Tactical Solutions Barrel 16" with Comp
Hogue Black Stock
Mueller Optics
Tactical Solution base and rings
Bolt Reworked and Jeweling (CPC)
All VQ parts on the inside (Me)
Tactical Solutions Barrel 16" with Comp
Hogue Black Stock
Mueller Optics
Tactical Solution base and rings
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:07 am to TigerOnThe Hill
Of all, which have you found to be the quietest of all the common rounds, CB and shorts included?
I'm about to order some for pest (cat) control. My neighbors generally frown on hearing a report followed by a missing cat.
I'm about to order some for pest (cat) control. My neighbors generally frown on hearing a report followed by a missing cat.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 9:13 am to tenfoe
I would use the CCI Quiet as the bare minimum...also look at sub-sonics. The Aguila Sniper SubSonic 60 Gr is a sweet round.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:22 am to mack the knife
MTK,
I bet you're referring to the "Super Colibri" (20 gr bullet at 500 fps) or "Colibri" (20 gr bullet at 375 fps) made by Aquila. These rounds use onlya primer (no powder). I shot some many years ago but was disappointed w/ the accuracy. In addition, the point of impact was so much lower than other ammo (IIRC, hit a couple feet low at 25 yards) that it wasn't practical. Might play w/ it again sometime by setting up my 77/22 for that ammo only.
I bet you're referring to the "Super Colibri" (20 gr bullet at 500 fps) or "Colibri" (20 gr bullet at 375 fps) made by Aquila. These rounds use onlya primer (no powder). I shot some many years ago but was disappointed w/ the accuracy. In addition, the point of impact was so much lower than other ammo (IIRC, hit a couple feet low at 25 yards) that it wasn't practical. Might play w/ it again sometime by setting up my 77/22 for that ammo only.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 11:27 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:47 am to Junky
Junky,
I was not aware that Longs and Shorts are only primer driven. I'v learned something today. Thanks.
I've been disappointed w/ different subsonic loads, including Remington, in that they didn't sound much quieter to my ears than regular 22 LR's. OTOH, the "Quiet-22" was pretty durn quiet.
I was not aware that Longs and Shorts are only primer driven. I'v learned something today. Thanks.
quote:
I'm not sure how quiet the "quiet-22" is compared to Remington’s "subsonic" loads, but you might want to give those a try.
I've been disappointed w/ different subsonic loads, including Remington, in that they didn't sound much quieter to my ears than regular 22 LR's. OTOH, the "Quiet-22" was pretty durn quiet.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:53 am to tenfoe
tenfoe,
I've not shot any CB caps, but I'd have a really hard time distinguishing a difference in the sound signature HP Shorts, CB Longs or "Quiet-22". Tried to test it one time w/ my Radio Shack sound meter, but it didn't work. Saw an episode of "Gun Talk" on tv a few weeks ago where they compared muzzle blast of 22 CB Long and "Quiet-22." They were in mid 90's decibes. Can't remember which was loudest, but was only one dB difference.
quote:
Of all, which have you found to be the quietest of all the common rounds, CB and shorts included?
I've not shot any CB caps, but I'd have a really hard time distinguishing a difference in the sound signature HP Shorts, CB Longs or "Quiet-22". Tried to test it one time w/ my Radio Shack sound meter, but it didn't work. Saw an episode of "Gun Talk" on tv a few weeks ago where they compared muzzle blast of 22 CB Long and "Quiet-22." They were in mid 90's decibes. Can't remember which was loudest, but was only one dB difference.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:06 pm to Junky
quote:
This is correct. The short and long CCI's only have the primer in the round, no gunpowder.
I'm sure you know this stuff far better than I, but do you have a source or cite for this ?
Posted on 12/14/12 at 2:53 pm to KingRanch
Thanks, KR. I always find your contributions very informative.!
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