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Zach Mettenberger= Ryan Leaf, with a chance to fix
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:20 pm
This isn't a trashing of the kid. Leaf was an enormously talented QB who was on par with Peyton Manning, and could have been everything Manning was. Leaf flamed out because mentally, everything Manning was, Leaf was not- no focus, didn't do the hard work, took his talent for granted, partied away instead of busting his arse.
Mettenberger would still be at UGA if not for some serious partying issues and mistakes. The "Mett Burgundy" thing, with his history and level of play, I think showed he still has tendencies to screw up when he should be busting his arse. What we see on the field at times, looks like he's way behind mentally and trying to catch up. And let's be real- how much did he pick up at UGA? Whatever he might have learned, the legal issues probably burnt out of his mind and understandably so; and JUCO doesn't make you ready to start in the SEC.
But he IS catching up, and it looks like the team is still on his side. He could have tanked several times this season, but he still comes back and fights through it.
If Miles can do the off-field "life coaching" the kid needs, and Kragthorpe can bring him up to speed to match his talent, I think he'll be a special player. Might be next season before he achieves it; or maybe never... but the truth is, this season's team doesn't need "special" to win out. It just needs "competent", and Mettenberger is getting close to that. Ain't quite there, and he definitely doesn't need to get full of himself yet, but he's getting close
Mettenberger would still be at UGA if not for some serious partying issues and mistakes. The "Mett Burgundy" thing, with his history and level of play, I think showed he still has tendencies to screw up when he should be busting his arse. What we see on the field at times, looks like he's way behind mentally and trying to catch up. And let's be real- how much did he pick up at UGA? Whatever he might have learned, the legal issues probably burnt out of his mind and understandably so; and JUCO doesn't make you ready to start in the SEC.
But he IS catching up, and it looks like the team is still on his side. He could have tanked several times this season, but he still comes back and fights through it.
If Miles can do the off-field "life coaching" the kid needs, and Kragthorpe can bring him up to speed to match his talent, I think he'll be a special player. Might be next season before he achieves it; or maybe never... but the truth is, this season's team doesn't need "special" to win out. It just needs "competent", and Mettenberger is getting close to that. Ain't quite there, and he definitely doesn't need to get full of himself yet, but he's getting close
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Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:21 pm to Scoob
My head hurts.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:21 pm to Scoob
Mett hasn't been our problem.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:22 pm to Scoob
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:25 pm to Scoob
Anyone that thinks Mett has been our problem, doesn't understand football. Period. He is a first year starter in the hardest division , in the hardest conference , in all of CFB. He is playing well considering all that and he has a makeshift oline.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Anyone that thinks Mett has been our problem, doesn't understand football. Period. He is a first year starter in the hardest division , in the hardest conference , in all of CFB. He is playing well considering all that and he has a makeshift oline.
Exactly!
It's amazing that people feel he's supposed to be all-SEC after only THREE SEC games. Can we at least wait till the latter third of the season to see if he's progressed? Keep in mind, most guys struggle in this conference in their first year starting.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:41 pm to Scoob
We have 2 olinemen who were dubbed starters before game 1. And Leaf was an unreal college qb.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:44 pm to VegasPro
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Leaf was an unreal college qb.
Mett needs to throw a TD or 50 before you compare him to Leaf
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:48 pm to Scoob
Mett hasn't been the problem
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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doesn't understand football.
I think I have a pretty good understanding of football, and I give him credit for being a first year starter in the SEC, like McCrarron was last year, but he's got to be more invested in us than he has been. He looks blase, indifferent, confused when he's getting a play from the sideline. He's got some tools, he just needs to stop being a tool. Btw, if I was an opposing DC, I would take note that the only people in the huddle that actually look at him/pay attention to him are the ones about to be directly involved in the next play.
This post was edited on 10/14/12 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:56 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Line was solid last night. Running game has been solid all season.
He's improving but still not "good". Defenses still crowding the line and focusing on stuffing the run, even if we did run. His pick took away a likely scoring drive (probably a FG the way the game was), and gave Carolina a TD. Their only score of the first half, on a 1 yd drive. His miss to Landry took away a TD. His miss on the fade to Jacobs was so off, it showed me why we don't pass much in the redzone (and at least it wasn't a redzone pick like earlier this season).
Mettenberger competed, and he didn't fumble. He's shown some improvement. But if he's "good" we win last nite something like 40-14.
I don't hate the kid, and I want to see him succeed. But he's the weakest link on the team right now, and he needs to keep improving.
He's improving but still not "good". Defenses still crowding the line and focusing on stuffing the run, even if we did run. His pick took away a likely scoring drive (probably a FG the way the game was), and gave Carolina a TD. Their only score of the first half, on a 1 yd drive. His miss to Landry took away a TD. His miss on the fade to Jacobs was so off, it showed me why we don't pass much in the redzone (and at least it wasn't a redzone pick like earlier this season).
Mettenberger competed, and he didn't fumble. He's shown some improvement. But if he's "good" we win last nite something like 40-14.
quote:Here's what I understand- we have a stellar defense, a solid run game, and issues in the passing game. Our QB was 12 for 25 with an INT against an 8 man front keying on the run.
Anyone that thinks Mett has been our problem, doesn't understand football. Period.
I don't hate the kid, and I want to see him succeed. But he's the weakest link on the team right now, and he needs to keep improving.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:57 pm to Scoob
I didn't read your full post. Nothing personal, I just find this works best on this board to ignore the OP and type what you want. But allz i got to say here, is it ain't all Met. And it may not even be partially Met. our receivers have almost ZERO separation. and this is a function of the routes they run, or rather the routes they don't run or can't run. and this is a result of the play calling. and in the passing game, the play calling has been geared towards protecting our QB, from sacks and himself. ...gone to flowers everyone.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 1:59 pm to Red Drum
In some ways Mett reminds me of Bert Jones first year. I have always defined it as POISE. Bert looked like a deer in the headlights and was sacked often his first year. Of course we had the two QB philosphy then and maybe he was only trying "to not make a mistake".
Look how Bert developed and there is hope for Mett.
Some people need more develpment than others. Andrew Luck had what I call POISE when he was in high school.
POISE comes from having confidence in your ability and a lack of fear of being hit. Its what our QB's last year lacked.
Look how Bert developed and there is hope for Mett.
Some people need more develpment than others. Andrew Luck had what I call POISE when he was in high school.
POISE comes from having confidence in your ability and a lack of fear of being hit. Its what our QB's last year lacked.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:02 pm to Scoob
Good post, dude! I agree with everything you said. Some won't like it, but you told the truth. This kid has a loonng way to go, but if he sticks with it will be good. Next year he should be really good having benefitted from a full season in the hard SEC under his belt! But you are right, all he needs to do is be competent this season and let the defense carry this team!!
This post was edited on 10/14/12 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:04 pm to dtrack22
quote:yep, right- I guess the analogy is more "Mett attitude towards college" = "Leaf attitide towards NFL".
Leaf was an unreal college qb.
Mett needs to throw a TD or 50 before you compare him to Leaf
Can't think offhand of another college-issue guy, maybe Berlin or one of the Booty's (Evangel seemed to put out some QBs with attitude problems).
And more with regards to Leaf- we don't know how much he was allowed to do at WSU, vs what Mettenberger got zapped with at UGA.
If Mett stayed at UGA, and Murray wasn't there, he might be a lot more Leaf-like in college right now.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:08 pm to siliconvalleytiger
quote:drink a beer. Hair of the dog, just saying ....
My head hurts.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:17 pm to Scoob
there are many QBs who weren't as serious as Peyton Manning that were excellent CFB QBs.
Leaf had major off the field issues, Mett doesn't have that. He has a little bit of character/goofiness/whatever but so does our coach. I think Mett fits in and the longer he plays in our system the better he will become.
The stuff I see Mett doing on the field is the same thing I saw when J.Russell was a soph. Suspect footwork, holding the ball too long, eyeing receivers.....and let's be honest, Jamarcus didn't have Peyton Manning's seriousness.
We don't need Mett to be Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf. Those guys had offenses that centerd around them. LSU is a running team. We need Mett to play up to his potential and we will be fine and so will he.
Leaf had major off the field issues, Mett doesn't have that. He has a little bit of character/goofiness/whatever but so does our coach. I think Mett fits in and the longer he plays in our system the better he will become.
The stuff I see Mett doing on the field is the same thing I saw when J.Russell was a soph. Suspect footwork, holding the ball too long, eyeing receivers.....and let's be honest, Jamarcus didn't have Peyton Manning's seriousness.
We don't need Mett to be Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf. Those guys had offenses that centerd around them. LSU is a running team. We need Mett to play up to his potential and we will be fine and so will he.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:22 pm to oiltiger
quote:POISE can come from clearly knowing what you're supposed to be doing. I think Mett is still not sure of that. I think he's getting better, but he isn't there yet.
In some ways Mett reminds me of Bert Jones first year. I have always defined it as POISE. Bert looked like a deer in the headlights and was sacked often his first year. Of course we had the two QB philosphy then and maybe he was only trying "to not make a mistake".
Look how Bert developed and there is hope for Mett.
Some people need more develpment than others. Andrew Luck had what I call POISE when he was in high school.
POISE comes from having confidence in your ability and a lack of fear of being hit. Its what our QB's last year lacked.
He plays like- you know the smart kid who coasted through high school, and suddenly goes on academic probation at college, because he never had to study? THAT'S what I see out there on the field. Lots of little things that should be 2nd nature by the time you're at this level, give him trouble- but he can still throw a 40-yd rope.
I'm NOT BASHING the kid, but it looks like he's just now learning how to prepare to play. I said it earlier, if he can bring his technical skills to the level of his talent, he'll be special
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:25 pm to Scoob
Shake the haters dude. Youre on target.
Posted on 10/14/12 at 2:28 pm to Scoob
I completely agree with you. The main people who will disagree are the same ones who proclaimed him as the Mettsiah. In a lot of ways I blame the fans for hyping him up so much. He might not necessarily be the problem, but he also doesn't seem like the solution. His pick last night almost lost the game, the pick against Florida was very big in losing that game. People blame the receivers, o line, and playcalling for everything, but Mett deserves equal criticism as well. The fans need to quit blowing him and let Mett prove himself, just like every other player has to.
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