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Great day to be an astros fan!
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:40 am
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:40 am
The season is over. No more horrible baseball. Have the new optimistic view that they will be good in 5-7 years. Plus the braves choked.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:42 am to LSUIEGRAD13
Fun fact: The Brewers won more home games than the Astros won period.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:54 am to LSUIEGRAD13
Thanks for Berkman and helping us in the postseason.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 1:01 am to LSUIEGRAD13
What is really mind blowing is that 'Stros fans, myself included, always complain about the ridiculous payrolls of other teams but when you think about it the Astros are in the 4th largest US city with 2 of the larger cities (New York and Chicago) being home to 2 mlb teams. Houston is more than 3x larger than Boston, more than 4x larger than Atlanta, and 6x larger than Tampa Bay and St. Louis. The real question is why can't the Astros find an owner/GM who will spend enough/smart enough for them to be competetive(still reserving judgement on the new ownership) and why can't the fans "fan up" and provide the necessary support since clearly there should be enough fans for this.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 1:04 am to Woopigsooie20
Seriously I want to know others' thoughts. I've been drinking a little so that was kinda hard for me to put together but I think it raises a good point. Also I loathe trading away Berkman, Oswalt, Pence, and Bourne while not getting back half their value in my opinon. Seriously how is such terrible decision making possible, or am I just that much smarter than those in the Astros organization.
could probably actually add jeff keppinger in there too.
could probably actually add jeff keppinger in there too.
This post was edited on 9/29/11 at 1:05 am
Posted on 9/29/11 at 1:06 am to H2O Engineer
In your opinion what was the value of the players traded away
Posted on 9/29/11 at 1:20 am to lsu31always
I would have expected top of the rotation prospects for Pence and Bourne. I think Cosart is a gamble at best, and Wallace is a bust which they should have known considering 3 other teams before them didn't want to hold on to him. Also did anyone really believe in J.A. Happ. I'm addmitedly not as up to date with the prospects from the Bourn trade. I know this may sound a bit revisionist but honestly I felt just as bad about these trades the minute they happened. Seriously Cosart, Wallace, Happ, and some minor prospects for Pence, Bourn, Berkman, Oswalt ????
Posted on 9/29/11 at 1:21 am to Woopigsooie20
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Thanks for Berkman and helping us in the postseason.
We enjoyed playing important games in late September.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 1:23 am to lsu31always
You kind of have to look at it in the way NFL GM's are running teams today. The teams that try to buy there way into the playoffs aren't breaking .500 on the season, i.e, Redskins... The teams that are successful aren't necessarily "Win Now" teams. Look at Detroit. After picking up stafford, they are just now starting to piece together a young, powerful team.
To tie that into baseball, I think there has to be a mix of both. In the case of the Berkman trade, older stars have to be on the chopping block at some point in order to free up cash and pick up young prospects for the farm league teams. On the other hand, like the Pence and Bourn trades, you're trading off young players for ~4 unproven prospects. If out of the ~8, you get 2 solid players, what was the point? Who cares if your farm league teams are under .500. Last time I checked, the Astros were pulling in more money than the Corpus Christi Hooks and the rest of their flop minor league teams. Also, even in bad years, if you have one or two "star" players like Bourn and Pence, they will put fans in the stands. I know I went to games last year just to see them two play.
Bottom line, you have to prepare for the future, but I think when you have young, proven talent, you hold on to it... Trade off the old talent for prospects.
To tie that into baseball, I think there has to be a mix of both. In the case of the Berkman trade, older stars have to be on the chopping block at some point in order to free up cash and pick up young prospects for the farm league teams. On the other hand, like the Pence and Bourn trades, you're trading off young players for ~4 unproven prospects. If out of the ~8, you get 2 solid players, what was the point? Who cares if your farm league teams are under .500. Last time I checked, the Astros were pulling in more money than the Corpus Christi Hooks and the rest of their flop minor league teams. Also, even in bad years, if you have one or two "star" players like Bourn and Pence, they will put fans in the stands. I know I went to games last year just to see them two play.
Bottom line, you have to prepare for the future, but I think when you have young, proven talent, you hold on to it... Trade off the old talent for prospects.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:32 am to FatDrunknStupid
Bottom line? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Got 3 words for ya!!!! SUCK IT 'STROS!!!!
Posted on 9/29/11 at 7:53 am to H2O Engineer
Lance Berkman was hitting .245 when we traded him. He hit .255 for the Yankees. 14 HR total last year with both teams, And do you really think Pence and Bourn are going to lead a team to the playoffs by themselves? Better to start from scratch in my opinion. I haven't lost any sleep over it. Now if we could only get rid of Carlos Lee.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 8:01 am to lsu31always
Fun fact, Karma bit some of the Bravos fans on here in the arse. Shouldn't talk shitte about the Astros all year and then depend on them to win to help you out.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 9:02 am to LSUIEGRAD13
pfft, they couldn't even put up a fight and keep the Cards out of the playoffs.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 9:08 am to LSUFanNTX
If the 'Stros are gonna clean house at some point, start with the manager, not the two best players on the team. Mills came to Houston on the heels of the Red Sox world series win. Well, Boston is fixing to axe their manager, Houston should follow suit. If your going to build a ball club, you have to have something to build around. I'm sorry, C. Lee is not something to build around. Pence and Bourn were.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 9:15 am to VernonPLSUfan
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f the 'Stros are gonna clean house at some point, start with the manager
might as well rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic
Posted on 9/29/11 at 9:17 am to H-Town Tiger
What are the season ticket prices for the deck chair area? Are they by the Crawford Boxes?
Posted on 9/29/11 at 9:33 am to VernonPLSUfan
Mills hasn't done anything to make me think that he is what we need. Look at what Kirk Gibson did with the Diamondbacks. They were supposed to be as bad as the Astros, but look what happened.
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