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anybody harvest timber? have a question
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:59 pm
how much does it cost per acre to harvest timber in the Southeast?
more specifically the species of concern is Loblolly pine, with 5.5% of hardwood harvest on an uneven aged 15-30,000 acre plot of land. Selective thinning harvest, not clear-cut.
My estimates right now are $25/acre, at the most $95, but when you're dealing w/ that many acres that's a huge range and means the difference between a profit and a loss.
more specifically the species of concern is Loblolly pine, with 5.5% of hardwood harvest on an uneven aged 15-30,000 acre plot of land. Selective thinning harvest, not clear-cut.
My estimates right now are $25/acre, at the most $95, but when you're dealing w/ that many acres that's a huge range and means the difference between a profit and a loss.
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:29 pm to Tigahs
They should be paying you for the trees. I cleared a 2.5 acre lot and they gave me 800 dollars,that was clear cut. No way you should pay unless something has changed since I cleared my lot.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 10:03 pm to TIGER2
thxn for the input,
but we want to keep the timber revenues but outsource the harvest process,
definitely not a clear-cut tho here, just selective thinning so it I figure it'll cost about 10% of the timber revenue at most.
but we want to keep the timber revenues but outsource the harvest process,
definitely not a clear-cut tho here, just selective thinning so it I figure it'll cost about 10% of the timber revenue at most.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 8/27/09 at 10:54 am to Tigahs
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My estimates right now are $25/acre, at the most $95, but when you're dealing w/ that many acres that's a huge range and means the difference between a profit and a loss.
I would say those estimates are way, way low.
That would be between $1,000 to $3,800 for thinning a forty acre tract. No way.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 12:08 pm to TigerDeacon
Thanks for the input Deacon.
As of now for the pre-feasibility assessment we're assuming 10% of the timber yield should be enough to lure an outside contractor.
I found that estimate from an NPV analysis on Loblolly pine harvests done at LSU.
it's titled: Pine Straw Production Cost-Benefit Analysis With Species Comparisons
by the LSU Ag Center and LA Cooperative Extension Service
As of now for the pre-feasibility assessment we're assuming 10% of the timber yield should be enough to lure an outside contractor.
I found that estimate from an NPV analysis on Loblolly pine harvests done at LSU.
it's titled: Pine Straw Production Cost-Benefit Analysis With Species Comparisons
by the LSU Ag Center and LA Cooperative Extension Service
Posted on 8/27/09 at 3:01 pm to Tigahs
email me at sig3197@yahoo.com.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 4:12 pm to Tigahs
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ah, here's a link
Your link is a pamplet about pine straw from 1992. Not sure I would consider that the bible of timber havesting in 2009.
Personally, I wouldnt cut any timber now unless you really needed the money.
Posted on 8/27/09 at 4:14 pm to TigerDeacon
yes, but it has receipts from Loblolly pine timber harvests.
not cutting until year 15, so I'll be in my 40s by then, just doing a pre-feasibility assessment on forest mgmt w/ two income streams: timber & carbon
not cutting until year 15, so I'll be in my 40s by then, just doing a pre-feasibility assessment on forest mgmt w/ two income streams: timber & carbon
Posted on 8/27/09 at 4:19 pm to Tigahs
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yes, but it has receipts from Loblolly pine timber harvests.
What generation trees? When were they planted? A whole lot has changed in pines since 1992.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 8:10 am to TigerDeacon
BUck Vandersteen is presiden tof the LFA (louisiana Forestry Association. He is a great resource and could more than help with yor questions. The state convention has been going on all week in Baton Rouge so he may not be in today. Here is a link to the LFA's website LINK
Posted on 8/28/09 at 8:39 am to Tigahs
Do you already own said land, or are you looking to buy the land?
FWIW, my dad has been in the timber industry for over 30 years, and we've had conversations about land investments. He basically said you either have to buy land with timber ready to harvests and then replant or get the land at basically zero cost to have a positive return. Meaning, you can't buy land at $2,000 per acre, plant, and wait 20 years with little to zero cash flow and make any money. You need to be able to cut some existing timber to recoup a portion of your initial land cost.
FWIW, my dad has been in the timber industry for over 30 years, and we've had conversations about land investments. He basically said you either have to buy land with timber ready to harvests and then replant or get the land at basically zero cost to have a positive return. Meaning, you can't buy land at $2,000 per acre, plant, and wait 20 years with little to zero cash flow and make any money. You need to be able to cut some existing timber to recoup a portion of your initial land cost.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 9:46 am to Worn Hanes
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FWIW, my dad has been in the timber industry for over 30 years, and we've had conversations about land investments. He basically said you either have to buy land with timber ready to harvests and then replant or get the land at basically zero cost to have a positive return. Meaning, you can't buy land at $2,000 per acre, plant, and wait 20 years with little to zero cash flow and make any money. You need to be able to cut some existing timber to recoup a portion of your initial land cost.
This is basically true. However, most people cut the timber before they sell. The state does have programs to pay for half the cost of planting seedlings and spraying to kill the competing vegetation.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 10:23 am to Worn Hanes
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FWIW, my dad has been in the timber industry for over 30 years, and we've had conversations about land investments.
Are there still any sawmills that would take 80+ year old hardwood and pine? I'm looking at buying 70+ acres with trees this old. I'll probably leave the trees there for hunting but if I need some cash I would like to be able to cut them. Another issue is the current bottom in the timber industry. I'll wait until prices go up some before considering to cut. I just need to make sure that we could find someone to take logs this large.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 12:26 pm to BB19
I'm sure there are some out there, but none I know of. I know someone would be interested in making heart pine flooring out of those things, so I'm sure there would be someone. Although I know a lot of heart pine floors are made out of re-sawed wood these days. Sawmills in general are a dying bread, however. F-ing NAFTA and Canadians.
A timber auction would be your best bet if you had to sell.
A timber auction would be your best bet if you had to sell.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 1:50 pm to BB19
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Are there still any sawmills that would take 80+ year old hardwood and pine? I'm looking at buying 70+ acres with trees this old. I'll probably leave the trees there for hunting but if I need some cash I would like to be able to cut them. Another issue is the current bottom in the timber industry. I'll wait until prices go up some before considering to cut. I just need to make sure that we could find someone to take logs this large.
I know there is at least one mill in No. Louisiana that takes those large hardwood logs.
As for hunting, if you are hunting deer you would probably be better off doing a selective thinning because if the hardwood is that old there probably is little for them to eat there except acorns.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 3:35 pm to TigerDeacon
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As for hunting, if you are hunting deer you would probably be better off doing a selective thinning because if the hardwood is that old there probably is little for them to eat there except acorns
I thought deer only ate corn :)
Where's the mill? Simsboro?
This post was edited on 8/28/09 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 8/28/09 at 4:15 pm to BB19
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Where's the mill? Simsboro?
I'll have to find out. Dad was talking about it the other day. Said they were buying big logs.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 4:15 pm to BB19
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I thought deer only ate corn :)
I know for a fact that they eat pears, roasted soybeans, deer chow, all grain, etc.
Posted on 8/28/09 at 4:19 pm to BB19
What pine saw mills are in simsboro? I only know of Mid-States, but they primarily just treat.
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