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President Trump’s push for more AI data centers faces backlash from his own voters

Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:04 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:04 am
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DANVILLE, Pennsylvania, Dec 1 (Reuters) - The residents came in camouflage hats and red shirts signaling unity, more than 300 of them packing into a rural Pennsylvania planning commission meeting to protest a proposed data center they feared would carve up their farmland and upend the quiet rhythms of their valley.

Most were loyal supporters of President Donald Trump, who carried their home of Montour County by 20 percentage points in the 2024 election. But they bristled at Washington’s push to fast-track artificial intelligence infrastructure, which has driven data-center growth in rural areas around the U.S. where land is cheap.

On a recent November evening, residents in this county of 18,000 people stepped to the microphone, questioning Talen Energy officials about how their planned data center might raise residents' utility bills, reduce working farmland, and strain local water and natural resources.


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Political leaders across the U.S. are urging a rapid expansion of data-center capacity and new power production to keep the country competitive in AI. Trump, a Republican, is promoting the build-out as an economic and national security priority and has directed his administration to bypass environmental rules and permitting that give local communities a voice. In Pennsylvania, Democratic Governor Josh Shapiro and Republican Senator Dave McCormick are courting developers with incentives and infrastructure upgrades to attract investment in the fast-growing industry.

Some communities welcome the economic boost. But the backlash in Montour County, nestled in central Pennsylvania, reflects a growing coalition of farmers, environmentalists and homeowners who have united across partisan lines to resist data-center expansion.

A report by Data Center Watch earlier this year found that about $64 billion worth of data center projects have been blocked or delayed amid local pushback in states including Texas, Oregon and Tennessee. Critics in Pennsylvania worry that their region could turn into northern Virginia’s “data center alley,” with its vast, sprawling complexes.


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Talen Energy is requesting to rezone roughly 1,300 acres in Montour County from agricultural to industrial use, the first step toward building a large data center that would include 12 to 15 buildings. The site would sit in the shadow of the company's 1,528-megawatt natural-gas-fired power plant, tucked among farmland and dirt roads used heavily by the region’s Amish community.

Talen Energy has said the project would take 350 acres of farmland supporting soybeans, corn and livestock. Residents worry that losing this land would weaken the local farm economy, including a nearby plant that processes soybeans for regional food and feed.

Montour County Commissioner Rebecca Dressler, a Republican, said the concerns are rooted less in ideology than in preserving the region’s character. “Small-town character defines our community,” Dressler said. “People aren’t anti-development - they just want growth that fits who we are.”


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Electricity prices in Pennsylvania increased by about 15% in the past year - roughly double the national average, according to federal data.

That surge is already rippling through the regional grid. Capacity prices, which help determine what power plants are paid to ensure supply during peak demand, have spiked in recent auctions, and utilities have begun raising rates to cover growing infrastructure needs.

Analysts warn that customers' bills could climb significantly in the years ahead.

For many families, the strain is already visible. Overdue utility balances have risen far faster than inflation since 2022, and Pennsylvania ranks among the states with the highest levels of household energy debt, according to the Century Foundation, a progressive research organization.

Those pocketbook pressures are starting to reshape politics in some parts of the United States. Earlier this year, Alicia Johnson became one of two Democrats elected to Georgia’s utility board since 2007 after her campaign highlighted frustration over rising power bills and unchecked growth of data centers. She said the issues in her campaign were a preview of what states like Pennsylvania may face in next year's U.S. midterm elections.


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Ginny Marcille-Kerslake, an organizer with Food and Water Watch, an environmental nonprofit group, has spent months mobilizing opposition to data centers in places like Montour County. She predicted a political reckoning next year.

"Communities - red, blue, and everything in between - are united in opposition," she said, referring to so-called red areas dominated by Republicans and blue areas controlled by Democrats. "At a time when we’re so divided, this issue is bringing people together."


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Not a knock on President Trump, but I'm posting this as an example of several instances where it seems his biggest supporters in rural America seem to assume he would be for or against something, aligned with them, and yet there's the opposite. I've seen it amongst family in rural Louisiana where they thought Trump, if elected again, would:

Bring back the Gold Standard
Stop Carbon Capture and the tax credits
Shut down H1B visas
Shut down the data centers

None of that is happening. Though President Trump didn't take a real stance on any of those issues during the 2024 campaign, but so many folks assumed these were stances of his. Now they're shocked to find out he's made statements supporting the H1B visa program and he's promoted investment in data centers.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:05 am to
Rueters doesnt know what Trump supporters do or do not want
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21024 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:10 am to
Local communities hate these things. They are primarily building them in rural areas, destroying the local aesthetic.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294984 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:11 am to
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Not a knock on President Trump, but I'm posting this as an example of several instances where it seems his biggest supporters in rural America seem to assume he would be for or against something, aligned with them, and yet there's the opposite.


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“There’s a 90% chance Trump wants to pardon Juan Orlando Hernández, the former president of Honduras, who was convicted for his role in a major drug trafficking enterprise, because he is connected to people like Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen and the rest of the tech bro morons,” wrote Chronicles Magazine correspondent Gonzalez in a recent social media post on X.

Thiel and Andreessen – two billionaire tech industry giants that hold major influence over the Trump administration – are both strong backers of Honduran Zones for Employment and Economic Development, or ZEDEs, a proposal for a type of autonomous city or area with its own administrative and political system operating on libertarian principles.


It involves his billionaire backers. Trump used the working class to get elected, then said "frick you."
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 9:13 am
Posted by BigEasy92
Member since Oct 2025
93 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:13 am to
AI data centers are struggling with power and water currently.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13762 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:14 am to
Smart phone usage with everyTweet, Tiktok and Insta post uses a lot of power with all of the reposting and forwarding.

Renewables can never provide the sort of energy production.

FTR, the leftie loons like Bucket Brigade out of nutter NOLA, are claiming that Jeff Landry is increasing our electricity rates with data centers. Those dumbasses don't know that this happened with Entergy being behind growth of solar farms in Louisiana. It isn't free. Plus everyone pays for grid maintenance cost regardless of power source.
Posted by Sassafrasology
Member since Nov 2025
566 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:18 am to
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Bring back the Gold Standard


Yes, but this will never happen. Central bank usury has this nation by the balls. Should have listened to Andrew Jackson on this issue but no, ole commie Woodrow Wilson really started us on the path to massive government growth.

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Stop Carbon Capture and the tax credits


Agree 100%. The biggest irony of these Carbon Capture tax credits is that it incentivizes the use of even more fossil fuels and less nuclear. It’s a gift to the O&G industry and I don’t mind because I’m in O&G.


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Shut down H1B visas


Yes.


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Shut down the data centers


I don’t see a problem with these at all. Sure you will get some bitching and moaning by the locals like in the article you linked but once constructed these facilities can sit quietly mostly unbeknownst to anyone.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10316 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:21 am to
At the end of the day, the Trump “movement” was necessary. But the Trump the actual man and politician is not necessarily at the heart of the movement.

Trump, the actual person and politician, is basically your run of the mill, boomer, hack, neo-liberal, Koch bros. Republican.

Cool with a shite ton of “legal” immigration, cool with destroying local communities for these data monstrosities, cool with neocon adventurism for the sake of Israel, cool IVF and “safe and limited” abortions, and generally down with the the 1960s to 1990s era of MLK/Civil Rights positions on race and affirmative action (as long as it isn’t the hyper woke stuff that started with Obama.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 9:23 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294984 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:22 am to
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I don’t see a problem with these at all.


At all?

We've prioritized most of our resources for them, and they;ll end up replacing us. Yes, there are problems with it that need to be addressed.

Posted by Sassafrasology
Member since Nov 2025
566 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:24 am to
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AI data centers are struggling with power


That’s Michael Barry’s short play. Power is the critical path. The power required to meet future revenue expectations does not exist and lags 3-5 years.

But Trump’s AI EO has screwed Michael Burry’s short because now the federal government will likely bailout AI because of “national security” when they fail to meet Wall Street’s revenue expectations.
Posted by prouddawg
Member since Sep 2024
6883 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:25 am to
I support Trump and I don’t want one of those damn things around me.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
27441 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:25 am to
These data centers are the wave of the future, we can either build them or be left behind.

The US needs to keep up so we are not dependent on other countries such as China.

Everyone saw what happened during covid
Posted by Roy Curado
Member since Jul 2021
1439 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:26 am to
These AI investors are funding the construction of new generators. Its only lagging because the electric industry did not build any new power generators in preparation for this boom.
Posted by Wee Ice Mon
Member since May 2014
1807 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:27 am to
Building the beast system under the premise of national security.

The “Genesis Mission”, lol.

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27333 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:30 am to
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At the end of the day, the Trump “movement” was necessary. But the Trump the actual man and politician is not necessarily at the heart of the movement.

Trump, the actual person and politician, is basically your run of the mill, boomer, hack, neo-liberal, Koch bros. Republican.



Damn...you've summed it up perfectly.

The movement was necessary. It's helped halt some real stupidity that seemed to be gaining momentum. But at the end of the day, President Trump isn't this pure, lone savior of everything many of his most dedicated disciples cherish.

Some of my in-laws are a perfect example of what they think the man, their savior, is going to do vs. what he really is and is doing. It's mind boggling the positions they seem to think he's taken, when he really hasn't opined either way. Though the reverse, there's many of the left who also try to attach positions to Trump that he's never voiced or taken.

At the end of the day...much better having him as Commander-in-Chief than Biden or Harris, and thank God he helped prevent a Hillary Clinton Presidency, but he is another politician.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 9:34 am
Posted by BigEasy92
Member since Oct 2025
93 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:35 am to
NuScale Power should be big down the road. Nuclear is the only possible solution.
Posted by Sassafrasology
Member since Nov 2025
566 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:37 am to
These data centers are not the boogie man many people characterize them to be. Many of the “resource” issues like water and power are easily solvable engineering problems in most situations. And where projects intersect with locals the locals have every right to demand that they fit in as a good neighbor. For example, noise abating fencing around data center property, expanding power supply with new NG pipelines and/or SMRs, etc.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294984 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:38 am to
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These data centers are not the boogie man many people characterize them to be


They dont have to be, but they are.

If you watch the video I posted, you'll get some context.

Posted by Sassafrasology
Member since Nov 2025
566 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 9:40 am to
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NuScale Power should be big down the road. Nuclear is the only possible solution.


Maybe the new Trump EO will help streamline the permitting process for small modular reactors. As it stands right now nuclear is still approximately 2.5x NG.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13762 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 10:47 am to
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Some of my in-laws are a perfect example of what they think the man, their savior, is going to do vs. what he really is and is doing. It's mind boggling the positions they seem to think he's taken, when he really hasn't opined either way. Though the reverse, there's many of the left who also try to attach positions to Trump that he's never voiced or taken.


Some on the far right fringe are appalled at some of his actions. I really don't think that he actually understands oil/gas/refining/manufacturing in the least. What he is doing geopolitcally is another matter. It's not just about Ukraine, or Venezuela, or the Middle East, or China. The same goes about "rare earths" It's not that we don't have them here but that we don't subsidize their extraction and processing to the extreme like China does to corner the market in sales, albeit at a huge financial loss to China.
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