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Post WW2 What-if Scenario
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:58 pm
I have this insatiable thirst for knowledge lately and have come to the right place. What if the allies took out the USSR while they were weak after Berlin fell? Would the world be a more peaceful place?
Using my monkey brain, I’m thinking today’s threats wouldn’t have nukes and have us by the balls to the point where we can’t engage in conventional war.
Using my monkey brain, I’m thinking today’s threats wouldn’t have nukes and have us by the balls to the point where we can’t engage in conventional war.
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:03 pm to VooDude
We would be in full blown 1984.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:04 pm to VooDude
Cod logic
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:05 pm to ClemsonKitten
quote:Wait for it…and the slow roll. Not well liked on here, apparently I talk like a fig and don’t have enough electrolytes.
Cod logic
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:06 pm to VooDude
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What if the allies took out the USSR while they were weak after Berlin fell?
So you wanted us to fight someone on our side?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:06 pm to VooDude
The Soviets had more troops in Europe than we did and a shorter supply line. Patton was gung ho to go after the Russians; his troops weren't. The US Army in Europe nearly mutinied over a plan to ship them en masse to the Pacific. They, and their families back home, felt they had already done their duty. Nobody wanted any more war.
Not the kind of consequence you probably were thinking of, but I could see an impeachment of Truman coming out of it.
Not the kind of consequence you probably were thinking of, but I could see an impeachment of Truman coming out of it.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:07 pm to VooDude
Yeah and you’d probably deal with soldier mutinies all over Europe. By 1945, the western allies done with war. If the US decided to invade Russia, by the time they got the soldiers in place and mobilized, it would probably be late summer or early fall, just a few months until the infamous Russian Winter. Also by 1945, the us is one of the biggest importer of raw goods into the USSR, so we would’ve been funding and arming our new adversary.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:On our side? They were a mutual ally of convenience.
So you wanted us to fight someone on our side?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:15 pm to Jim Rockford
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The Soviets had more troops in Europe than we did and a shorter supply line. Patton was gung ho to go after the Russians; his troops weren't. The US Army in Europe nearly mutinied over a plan to ship them en masse to the Pacific. They, and their families back home, felt they had already done their duty. Nobody wanted any more war. Not the kind of consequence you probably were thinking of, but I could see an impeachment of Truman coming out of it.
More troops in Europe and supply lines is an easy fix especially considering US and European access to sea trade/reinforcement routes. Only one country at the time had access to the bomb if need be. That, and USSR was propped up by US financing and materials.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:18 pm to willymeaux
quote:Many new, bigger markets opened up after the war. Pulling the rug out underneath them would have only hurt them. Their industrial base was gone and relied on bodies and US supplies.
the us is one of the biggest importer of raw goods into the USSR, so we would’ve been funding and arming our new adversary.
Not sure about these mutinies. It would have been a quick war winter or not. I get it that the foresight wasn’t there but getting something triggered through a false flag would have been easy for public backing with all the newly enforced occupation zones next to the soviets.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:19 pm to Jim Rockford
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The Soviets had more troops in Europe than we did and a shorter supply line.
The Soviet logistics system was catastrophically bad. The primary reason that they were still taking huge losses in the final days when the Germans were on there knees with shortages or outright lack of critical supplies was the Soviets inability to support themselves. In fact, if it hadn't been for the hundreds of thousands of trucks (not to mention the millions of pounds of raw materials - oil, food, ammo, etc) that we gave them, it's doubtful they could have prosecuted the war to as successful a conclusion. There's a reason the Soviets were making back channel feelers to the Germans for a negotiated peace as late as mid-'43. Without our aid, they were not able to sustain a war effort.
If (and it's a mighty big IF) the US had the social and political will, America would have handled the Russkies pretty easily.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:34 pm to VooDude
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On our side? They were a mutual ally of convenience.
Correct but you still dont tupically take out an ally , even if they are “the enemy of my enemy is my friend “
Posted on 11/6/25 at 3:31 am to VooDude
The war machine needed a boogeyman if not the Soviet Union it would have been some other country. Think about the money made in the forty years after the war ended.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 3:39 am to VooDude
Russia may one day be the only hospitable place for white Christians.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 4:53 am to VooDude
Don’t worry we started a war with them in 1950.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 5:00 am to Jim Rockford
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The US Army in Europe nearly mutinied over a plan to ship them en masse to the Pacific. They, and their families back home, felt they had already done their duty. Nobody wanted any more war.
This is somewhat true. My paw paw flew 56 missions in a P51 out of Italy in European theater he was only required to do like 25 or so but was asked to stay and keep doing escorts and strafing missions. He was sent home then told to be ready to be sent to Japan in two weeks for more missions. Luckily before the two weeks was up Japan had surrendered. He would have gone but told me he was exhausted from the war. People were ready for it to end. He did tell me that by that time we had already destroyed all of Japan’s anti aircraft infrastructure and weapons so if he was sent over there it would have been total destruction for the Japanese and like shooting ducks on a pond.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 5:02 am to VooDude
The marketplace needs multiple businesses with competing products to keep costs down and drive innovation.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 5:27 am to SoFla Tideroller
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If (and it's a mighty big IF) the US had the social and political will, America would have handled the Russkies pretty easily.
This
The Soviets had no capable air force to stop our heavy bombers from eradicating their troops, their supplies/supply lines and their war machinery making abilities.
We would have rained down terror on them using non-atomic bombs and they would have had to capitulate or face near total destruction.
Plus we had “The Bomb” as an ace in the hole
Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:01 am to Jim Rockford
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Patton was gung ho to go after the Russians; his troops weren't.
Patton wanted to use German soldiers as the spearhead against the Soviets. He realized late in the war that large numbers of German soldiers were not Nazis, and they could be a vital resource against in any campaign against the USSR.
Some historians have questioned Patton’s commitment to this idea. However, he was relived of his position as the military governor of Bavaria shortly after the war because he was critical of the Allies strict denazification policies.
The final straw for Eisenhower was when he discovered that Patton hadn’t discharged large numbers of German soldiers as he was ordered. Instead he kept them stationed in Alpine fortifications as a defense against any possible Soviet aggression.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:11 am to VooDude
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apparently I talk like a fig and don’t have enough electrolytes
You have to admit, it is true.
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