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Debate and persuasion politics is over

Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10287 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:06 pm
It’s all about block voting. Win the voter blocks, win elections. To win the voter blocks, pay off the block community leaders. No one in 2025 is coming to the other side because of a persuasive debate.

The Democrats have no shame or limiting principles. They are fine promising the world to their voting blocks, whether it materializes or not.

The conservative side is arguing and making their pitch on principle and ideology. Which is much more abstract to the average voter. This is only going to be effective to 100+ IQ voters. The average IQ of foreigners being imported is in the 70-80 range.

Republicans only chance is to figure out how to secure 52% of the voter blocks, and how to weaken/neuter the other 48% as much as possible.
Posted by BarnHater
Member since May 2015
7410 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:07 pm to
Only smart people vote Republican. The problem is we have too many fricking retards up north and on the west coast.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463637 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:08 pm to
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No one in 2025 is coming to the other side because of a persuasive debate.


And yet, somehow, they did just a year ago.

It must have been magic.

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The conservative side is arguing and making their pitch on principle and ideology.


Not since 2016
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 1:09 pm
Posted by RedStickFox
Member since Sep 2022
347 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:15 pm to
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They are fine promising the world to their voting blocks, whether it materializes or not.


You mean like when Trump promised free IVF for everybody? Or when he promised health insurance that would cover everybody but still cost less?
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10287 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:38 pm to
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You mean like when Trump promised free IVF for everybody? Or when he promised health insurance that would cover everybody but still cost less?


I don’t agree with this stuff in principle, especially anything promoting IVF. But Trump recognizes the transactional nature of politics much better than most Republicans.

Bow tie libertarian dorks are too busy sniffing each others farts caught up in their abstract theories that only
people with 100+ IQs can grasp or appreciate. How does that work when you have to appeal to mostly sub 80 IQ voters?

Either figure out a way to massively restrict suffrage and voting rights to a more qualified electorate or get used to buying off voting blocks with cheap promises and freebies. There is no middle ground. 80 IQ foreigners aren’t reading John Locke and your Cato institute white papers.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 1:40 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463637 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:38 pm to
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But Trump recognizes the transactional nature of politics much better than most Republicans.


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The Democrats have no shame or limiting principles. They are fine promising the world to their voting blocks, whether it materializes or not.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10287 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:46 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


Just because I am recognizing a reality does not mean I agree with it in principle. To some degree all politics is always transactional. With a higher IQ, close knit, homogeneous and high trust, moral population… you can focus more on ideology and culture building and less away from fractional politics… in a mass scale diverse population… it is all transactional. Thats just the reality.

This is why we should try to go away from universal suffrage and mass scale diversity. So we could possibly have a government that truly looks like the one we were intended to have. But with the demographics reality of our electorate, that is not possible. It simply becomes a race to the bottom on who can extract out the most resources from the remaining husk.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 1:47 pm
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