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Google’s Deepmind AI hurricane tracker was twice as accurate as NWS models

Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:30 am
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9445 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:30 am
It beat out every other model. And it even beat out human experts working with multiple models.

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Although Google DeepMind’s Weather Lab only started releasing cyclone track forecasts in June, the company’s AI forecasting service performed exceptionally well. By contrast, the Global Forecast System model, which is operated by the US National Weather Service, is based on traditional physics, and runs on powerful supercomputers, performed abysmally.




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This chart sums up the track forecast accuracy for all 13 named storms in the Atlantic Basin this season, measuring the mean position error at various hours in the forecast, from 0 to 120 hours (five days). On this chart, the lower a line is, the better a model has performed. The dotted black line shows the average forecast error for official forecasts from the 2022 to 2024 seasons. What jumps out is that the United States’ premier global model, the GFS (denoted here as AVNI), is by far the worst-performing model. Meanwhile, at the bottom of the chart, in maroon, is the Google DeepMind model (GDMI), performing the best at nearly all forecast hours. The difference in errors between the US GFS model and Google’s DeepMind is remarkable. At five days, the Google forecast had an error of 165 nautical miles compared to 360 nautical miles for the GFS model, more than twice as bad. This is the kind of error that causes forecasters to completely disregard one model in favor of another.


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Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
174765 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:31 am to
Cones of Uncertainties.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6742 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:32 am to
Watchout RDS. AI is coming for you.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
21639 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:34 am to
This is the kind of stuff we should be using AI for. Not for Indians to make fake posts on Facebook saying that Brian Kelly donated his buyout to build a home for orphans
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
26633 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:36 am to
says you
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50475 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:39 am to
The GFS was truly awful this year. The Euro already had it beat and now Google AI has come to pour salt on the wound.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44558 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:54 am to
It is crazy to see these models when they run strictly on data and not bias.
Posted by 4x4tiger
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2006
4929 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:57 am to
Let's AI Cantore and keep Stephanie Abrams

Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
42427 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:05 am to
The cone has always been the "Weather Gods" of tv's way of telling us they have no idea what's about to happen. Thankfully AI is finally here to open the public's eyes.

Most people don't know this but they actually move the cone. Does that make any sense to you. How can you have a cone if you can move the cone? The whole earth becomes your cone.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
Member since Jun 2015
9083 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:55 am to
It likely just aggregated and averaged all the already available data into a single point source.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
764 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:17 am to
Seems like just yesterday the NWS people were crying and wailing about Trump cutting their funding.

They claimed lack of forecasting and resources would cost lives.

Now we shocked to find out that Google's AI outperforms this bloated organization.

Nice.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
37924 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:19 am to
Well RIP meteorology as a career soon.

Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
25771 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:19 am to
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Watchout RDS. AI is coming for you


He'll just move on to creating videos with sandpaper hj's and boob milk.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
70934 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:33 am to
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Seems like just yesterday the NWS people were crying and wailing about Trump cutting their funding.

Most of those jobs are being refilled. When all is said and done they will have lost less than 100 positions.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14582 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:43 am to
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Most of those jobs are being refilled. When all is said and done they will have lost less than 100 positions.


Shhhhhhhhh
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
18579 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:44 am to
This seems like overfitting.

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is based on traditional physics

Also this is amusing, and par for the course amongst the ML community… The goal for all models should be to capture the physics as accurately as possible. When they train ML algorithms on physical processes, they use classical physics models to create training data sets lol. All of them.

And from what i’ve seen from PINNs (physics informed neural networks) where the model tries to “learn” a physics operator like a laplacian… they fail miserably in verification relative to traditional numerical methods… errors are huge even for simple manufactured solutions.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34551 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:38 pm to
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How can you have a cone if you can move the cone


Like someone saying, “I’m fairly confident that there is a good chance that such and such has a 22.3456-46.77899% of probably maybe happening.”
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 7:57 pm
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
19808 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:39 pm to
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AI is coming for you.

AI is coming for basically everything.

We're inventing something that makes us obsolete because its smarter, less emotional and doesnt sleep.

The fact that we're doing so is further proof of how foolish we are.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39730 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:45 pm to
quote:


The cone has always been the "Weather Gods" of tv's way of telling us they have no idea what's about to happen. Thankfully AI is finally here to open the public's eyes.

Most people don't know this but they actually move the cone. Does that make any sense to you. How can you have a cone if you can move the cone? The whole earth becomes your cone.


Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
764 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:46 pm to
Yeah agreed. Didn't think this at the beginning of the year but now I do.

Some think their job is 'AI proof' are failing to consider the increased competition for their job/industry by people displaced by AI and willing to work for less.
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