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I was shocked
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:18 am
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:18 am
last night I decided to watch the Pels since football this year has bee disappointing to say the least. It was the first time in a while that I watch an NBA game and I was shocked at how bad the product has become. I had to turn it off after 5 minutes. Just total trash.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:23 am to Lasix
As a lifelong basketball lover, I still watch. But I agree that I've never been more disinterested than I am now.
The style of play, the officiating, the flopping, just all contribute to these 130-125 track meets.
Your post is extreme, and you didn't really provide any specifics for as to why you hated it so much. Mind elaborating?
The style of play, the officiating, the flopping, just all contribute to these 130-125 track meets.
Your post is extreme, and you didn't really provide any specifics for as to why you hated it so much. Mind elaborating?
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:25 am to Lasix
Its so bad mate I never watch
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:25 am to Breadstick Gun
Officiating is fricking terrible. The league needs to allow defenders to defend and get rid of the throw up shots to get FTs.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:29 am to saints5021
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Officiating is fricking terrible. The league needs to allow defenders to defend and get rid of the throw up shots to get FTs.
Could not agree more. Bring back games where teams make pivotal offensive and (are allowed to make) DEFENSIVE plays to win 93 to 92.
I don't deny that players are more skilled (on offense) now than ever, but I do not enjoy watching games where teams score 140 points and shoot 40+ free-throws.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:43 am to Lasix
The key to enjoy watching the NBA is to be sure you understand WHAT you are watching and adjust your viewing habits accordingly. During the regular season...most players AND teams...don't actually give anywhere close to their best effort...to win a particular game. Of the 3 major sports. the NBA is, by far, the worst in this respect.
So...you just watch teams that, relatively speaking, seem to make a solid effort. And...to get even deeper...you may, just watch a team because they have certain player(s) that seem to give a solid effort each and every night.
I have maybe 6-8 NBA teams that I can enjoy watching...and quite a few individual players...that I can "zero in on" during a game...and those individuals can make a game worth watching even though that team might NOT be worth watching, overall...JMO
So...you just watch teams that, relatively speaking, seem to make a solid effort. And...to get even deeper...you may, just watch a team because they have certain player(s) that seem to give a solid effort each and every night.
I have maybe 6-8 NBA teams that I can enjoy watching...and quite a few individual players...that I can "zero in on" during a game...and those individuals can make a game worth watching even though that team might NOT be worth watching, overall...JMO
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:49 am to Breadstick Gun
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Could not agree more. Bring back games where teams make pivotal offensive and (are allowed to make) DEFENSIVE plays to win 93 to 92.
Do you guys really remember the 90s? Were you even aware then?
I was and this is what people said: outside of the Bulls, the difficulty in teams getting to 100 points regularly was a major problem making the games borderline unwatchable. All of the uncalled fouls and hard play made the game boring. Bring back the 80s with showtime and scoring and fun.
And the NBA knew it. They even moved the 3 point line in for a few seasons to try to increase scoring, which in fact decreased scoring because it drew the defense in making it even harder to score.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:56 am to bstaceyau19
There is a happy medium in there somewhere
I think we all romanticize 90s basketball to a degree but yeah the lack of scoring was a bit boring. The pendulum swung too far the other way with the tight whistles. Early 2000s basketball was good because I thought it was solid defense but still incredible offense. I think we need to get back to that. Don't reward flopping, swing throughs, or foul merchants. Reward good defense but also reward good offense. I don't think it's too hard.
I think we all romanticize 90s basketball to a degree but yeah the lack of scoring was a bit boring. The pendulum swung too far the other way with the tight whistles. Early 2000s basketball was good because I thought it was solid defense but still incredible offense. I think we need to get back to that. Don't reward flopping, swing throughs, or foul merchants. Reward good defense but also reward good offense. I don't think it's too hard.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:57 am to bstaceyau19
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Do you guys really remember the 90s? Were you even aware then?
I'm almost 40 so yea I remember.
In the 80s, teams averaged 109. In the 90s they averaged 103.
But Game 5 of the 05 Finals is still one of the best basketball games I've ever watched. (SAS won 96-95).
No-one is saying they want to see defensive players mauling scorers and getting away with it, but I also don't want to see teams shoot 43 free-throws in a single game.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:58 am to saints5021
quote:Officiating and the over-reliance on 3 point shots has really watered the product. In the 70s and 80s, players were allowed to get physical and post play was a thing.
Officiating is fricking terrible. The league needs to allow defenders to defend and get rid of the throw up shots to get FTs.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:59 am to BallHawk
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Don't reward flopping, swing throughs, or foul merchants. Reward good defense but also reward good offense.
There it is. Spot on.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 11:06 am to Lasix
They really need to have refs officiate for the regular season like how they do for the playoffs. Bring physicality back. It’s part of why the playoffs are much more enjoyable to watch.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:23 pm to Breadstick Gun
quote:According to basketball reference, your numbers are off. The 80’s are widely known as the decade with the highest scoring, so I didn’t even bother to verify if 109 is correct, but in the 90’s the average was 100 ppg. And really, that’s only because the first half of the 90s was coming down off the highs of the 80’s. By the mid 90’s, ppg dipped below 100 and hit an all-time low of 91 ppg in 1998-99. The average for the second half of the 90s was 96 ppg, and if you look at the 10 years from 1995 to 2005, the average was 95 ppg.
In the 80s, teams averaged 109. In the 90s they averaged 103.
It was very boring. Offenses consisted of either throwing the ball down to the big man for a post up, or a guard clearing everyone out to go 1 on 1. It was an iso-fest whether it was a big man or a guard. Walk the ball up and iso. The game was slow and boring.
That’s why they changed the rules. They wanted to encourage a faster-paced, more team-oriented game, and I believe they achieved that.
And I don’t see how 3 pointers are boring. An offense breaks down a defense and finds an open shooter… that’s basketball. That’s what basketball is all about.
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