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How do you balance between being good to people and not doing so to protect yourself?

Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:38 am
Posted by SmogkDeizKnutz
Member since Feb 2023
559 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:38 am
I'm talking about, as the saying goes, nice guys finish last. Never fails.

It seems the more a guy is a dick or cold to people they atleast get respect.

If you are too nice, they think you are stupid and take advantage.
Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
1671 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:43 am to
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It seems the more a guy is a dick or cold to people they atleast get respect.


Mingo is a dick and nobody respects him.

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If you are too nice, they think you are stupid and take advantage.


that's on you. You only get taken advantage of because you let someone do so.
Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
15888 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:43 am to
The Latin word for nice is nescius, which means "ignorant" or "unaware".

Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19306 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:54 am to
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I'm talking about, as the saying goes, nice guys finish last. Never fails.



OK, so you're the type who believes in the old saying "No good deed goes unpunished".

Not a great way to go through life.

We must run in different circles because if someone is being a "dick" as you say or cold to me, then I have no need to associate with them and they get NO respect from me.

I do nice things for people who I think deserve them and have not been looked on as being stupid or having been taken advantage of. If that's the vibe you're feeling, then that's on you.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68921 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:57 am to
I'm trying to find the balance of being a generous and considerate person in a world filled with self centered, greedy children. It's not easy.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31475 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:59 am to
Stop being "good" to people as a form of people pleasing. When people inevitably aren't grateful enough, you're going to get bitter. Be "good" to people because it follows your own internal code. The reward is internal, not external.
Posted by I Like Sports COOL
Geaux Tigers
Member since Oct 2025
170 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:59 am to
Because God calls on us to follow the example of Christ.

But there's a fine line between Mercy and Justice, and I'll be quick to switch up on you if you start tripping.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
70921 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:01 am to
I just try to do what I think is right. Seems to be working ok so far. Have I conquered the world yet? No. Could I make more money if I decided that was all I cared about? Yes. Could I conquer the world if that was all I cared about? Maybe. Would I have the family I have now if I did any of that? No.

I sleep well at night with the decisions I make every day, just trying to do what's right. I'll keep on doing that.
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
113148 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:03 am to
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If you are too nice, they think you are stupid and take advantage.


You must go on
You can’t go on
But you must go on
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68921 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:04 am to
You're right but i get super annoyed when my family doesn't reciprocate goodness or appreciation or generosity. I don't care what kind of a-hole anyone else wants to be, but I'm not trying to raise the typical a-hole.
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
15701 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:08 am to
Nice guys finish last in your short term on the hell that is earth, but not in the afterlife of eternity.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31475 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:08 am to
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You're right but i get super annoyed when my family doesn't reciprocate goodness or appreciation or generosity. I don't care what kind of a-hole anyone else wants to be, but I'm not trying to raise the typical a-hole.

I get it. I genuinely do. I'm the first to acknowledge that what I'm saying is "simple" not "easy". But if you embrace the stoic ideal that you are the only thing in this world you can truly control, the action or inaction of others just doesn't have the same bite. Now, that doesn't mean that you can't take those behaviors into account when deciding how you want to handle things in the future, but that should only affect the calculus, not the feelings attached to what you ultimately choose to do.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
70921 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:17 am to
With a lot of people, I just anticipate disappointment and factor that into my dealings with them.

The worst ones are those idiots who think they are far smarter than everyone around them, are clearly out to raze the world to the ground in the name of their own bank account, and put on that cheesy front of trying to be a good person. It seems like a raggedy existence to me of constantly worrying about money above all else.

A mans gotta do whatever helps him sleep better at night.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
155363 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:18 am to
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I'm talking about, as the saying goes, nice guys finish last. Never fails.

It seems the more a guy is a dick or cold to people they atleast get respect.

If you are too nice, they think you are stupid and take advantage.

IMO it's all about confidence. You can be nice but also still confident, and I think confident people are taken advantage of a lot less than others. There's also a huge difference between being confident and being a dick to people.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56817 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:21 am to
Take pride in being nice. No one ever stood around at a funeral and lovingly remembered someone for how much of an a-hole he was. They will remember you for your kindness. Go out of your way to help others and if people don't respect that, then you are looking to immature children for validation. Genuine people respect kindness, and most importantly, Jesus teaches it.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
14683 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:22 am to
Have learned my peace is priceless and if that means yielding, so be it. I know my core principles - live them - and others can do as they as that is exactly what I am doing. I enjoy affirmation and fellowship but not enough to live an 'anything goes' lifestyle
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:30 am to
I have a lot of thoughts on this one. I, like you, believed nice guys finish last. As I have moved up in my career, I have realized that I co-inflated being nice with being a people pleasing person with a lack of boundaries. I am perfectly nice, and will give someone truly in need everything I have. That being said, I will not let people walk over me, and I will give people the same energy they give me, albeit with more tact. I have also figured out that, realistically, everyone will not like you. People are petty creatures at times, and it's not my job to fix them. As a leader, I will never, ever ask something of my employees that I won't do myself, and I'll be polite but honest with my employees and bosses. Critique in private, praise in public.

A great example of this is door to door salesmen. I respect the balls it takes to go door to door, and will be polite. I usually interrupt them politely during the first part of their rehearsed speech and let them know I'm not interested, and will reiterate once they do the "well let me ask you this". If they push back after that, I then tell them to get off my property and shut the door in their face. It's not rude at that point, because I gave ample opportunity to end before conflict, and they were rude for continuing to take my time from me.

He's lost his fastball recently, but to me this Jordan Peterson speech (maybe a mix of a couple but still) adequately describes what we as men should be - YouTube - Jordan Peterson "Be a Monster"
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 10:37 am
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15584 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:32 am to
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I'm talking about, as the saying goes, nice guys finish last. Never fails.

Being nice to everyone should be the default setting. Regulate appropriately so people can see the cause and effect relationship of when the contrast is warranted.
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It seems the more a guy is a dick or cold to people they atleast get respect.

Respect is a pursuit of ghetto culture. People who do that are selfishly craving an emotional validation from others.

Just be efficient, productive, and precise in your words and actions.

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If you are too nice, they think you are stupid and take advantage.

If you do or say stupid things, people will know you’re stupid. It’s totally unrelated to being nice. Being nice is not the controlling variable, even though it may be present. The controlling variable is doing and saying stupid things. Do less of that.
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
1329 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:37 am to
Have a business in the hood and deal with those people for a few years and you'll quickly not give a shite what people think of your personality.

You either don't trust anyone or you end up taken advantage of or dead. Look them in the eyes to tell them that you're not a stupid soft target. Always carry. And never put up with their stupid shite. It's the same when I'm at a gas station or grocery store parking lot and some meth head tries to approach me.

I don't owe any stranger that walks up to me courtesy.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
22718 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:43 am to
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If you are too nice, they think you are stupid and take advantage.


You want to make them think you are too nice and stupid, but when the time is right, you cut their throat.
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