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High Earners Age 50 and Older Are About to Lose a Major 401(k) Tax Break

Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:50 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:50 am
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One of the biggest retirement-saving perks for workers age 50 and older is about to get new restrictions.

Starting next year, the extra catch-up contributions that those workers use to stow money in their 401(k)s will have to go into their accounts after tax for high earners. The Internal Revenue Service issued final rules this month on a 2022 law, which set the threshold for a high earner at more than $145,000 in wages.

This change means many workers will pay taxes on their catch-up money upfront during high-earning years instead of in lower-earning years in retirement. The money would go into a Roth account, where it can later be withdrawn tax-free.

It is the first time the tax code is mandating Roth savings, which give the government its cut up front.

A 60-year-old in the 35% tax bracket could lose a nearly $4,000 deduction for an $11,250 super catch-up contribution. That raises adjusted gross income, which could disqualify people from other tax breaks that phase out at higher income levels, such as deductions for student-loan interest and for state and local taxes. It could also push these workers into higher tax brackets.

The worst-case scenario is for high earners who don’t have access to a Roth 401(k). They won’t be able to make catch-up contributions at all.


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The $145,000 threshold for losing the pretax catch-up option is based on the employee’s prior-year income. It is also indexed for inflation. That would mean, according to Milliman’s estimates, someone with more than $150,000 of wage income this year at one job would be limited to making Roth catch-ups next year.


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The Roth catch-up mandate also won’t apply to high earning self-employed people who don’t have traditional wages from an employer. They will be able to continue making pretax 401(k) catch-ups.


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While the Roth mandate looks harsh, for some savers it could be beneficial. “While they’re paying tax on the money today to put it in the Roth, they’ll have a tax-free retirement income stream,” says Joseph Perry, a certified public accountant with CBIZ Advisors in Melville, N.Y.

The law change could be an opportunity for savers to re-examine investments, he said. People often spread their savings among pretax, Roth and nonretirement brokerage accounts. (With brokerage accounts, interest income, dividends and capital gains are taxable.)

Many high earners have too much in pretax accounts, and are trying to save more in Roth, Perry said.


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Posted by terriblegreen
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:54 am to
I'm already in a roth.

The government is gonna get theirs one way or another.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
70776 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:56 am to
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The government is gonna get theirs one way or another.


I'd rather pay them now than pay them later. I feel pretty confident that taxes are not going to go down in the next 40 years.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18532 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:58 am to
These fricking cocksuckers just can’t leave shite alone. I was looking forward to my catch up years in 6 years.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:58 am to
It’s all about what tax bracket you’re in now
Posted by DA Shaker
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:01 am to
Taxation is theft.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32616 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:02 am to
Get rid of all kinds of tax loopholes. Simplify the tax code. Reduce the IRS
Posted by Loup
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Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:03 am to
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The Internal Revenue Service issued final rules this month on a 2022 law, which set the threshold for a high earner at more than $145,000 in wages.


frick. I don't feel like a high earner. This is bullshite.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:05 am to
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Taxation is theft.

I encourage you to move to a country with no taxation and see how that works out for you baw
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:05 am to
Yea, I get that. I'm a simple minded fella though.

What's bullshite is $145k being considered high earning. Who the frick came up with that number? It's good money, but this makes it sound like $145k is rich. Raising a family of 4+ on $145k a year is not going to put you in the land of luxury in 2025.
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:05 am to
Successful people are penalized.

Some things never change.
Posted by CootDisCootDat
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:06 am to
This post was edited on 9/25/25 at 7:52 am
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:06 am to
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frick. I don't feel like a high earner. This is bullshite.

You’re a high enough earner to get the full girth of the tax code thrown at you, but not high enough of an earner to get a top tier tax guy to put you in all the loopholes
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:06 am to
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Get rid of all kinds of tax loopholes. Simplify the tax code. Reduce the IRS




Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85717 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:07 am to
Government treats the upper middle class who bankroll the country like they're Elon Musk and vilifies them as they cut away all the tax breaks that instead go to those who pay minimal taxes.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:08 am to
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The government is gonna get theirs one way or another


They actually weren’t in this case, which is why they made this rule.

Older workers were putting in pre tax money. Said worker dies, but never pulls the money out the traditional 401k, thus it isn’t taxed. That money is then passed down to their heirs at a stepped up basis and tax is never paid on the incremental amount between their contribution amount and the new basis amount
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32616 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:08 am to
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Raising a family of 4+ on $145k a year is not going to put you in the land of luxury in 2025.

That’s because you’re splitting the $145k between two adults. Which would have you not in the bracket that this applies to. This is for single earners in the $145k plus range or joint filers that average $145k each. Aka the single income has to be double the $145k for this to apply on a single earner married couple

Edit: not a tax guru but pretty sure this is also after 401k withdrawals, so a single earner has already had the chance to put away the max 401k ($23.5k) or a dual income has put away double that ($47k) before this applies. That would mean that dual income family brought in $145k x 2 + (up to) $47k = $337k, and that’s the bare minimum. Most people in that bracket are above the minimum, and also likely getting 401k matches and stock comps etc
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 8:13 am
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:09 am to
Yep, and it happens under every administration.


At least they aren't rolling back inheritance exemptions.



Yet
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
15533 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:11 am to
$145,000 = high earner is outright laughable.

The government and Big company CEOs are so out of touch with today’s cost of living vs lack of average salary increases over the last 20 years.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31313 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:11 am to
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I'm already in a roth. The government is gonna get theirs one way or another.

The best tack is to diversify. Options are never a bad thing when your decision horizon spans decades.
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