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Background checks for gun purchases should be eliminated
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:27 pm
The purpose of the check was not to stop crime. The purpose was to condition everyone to accept the idea of needing government permission to buy a firearm.
And that strategy worked. Many (most?) have accepted the idea and no longer question it.
Believe it or not, there was a time before background checks existed and society was no more violent than today.
What other Constitutional rights require a background check before they are exercised?
And that strategy worked. Many (most?) have accepted the idea and no longer question it.
Believe it or not, there was a time before background checks existed and society was no more violent than today.
What other Constitutional rights require a background check before they are exercised?
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 3:34 pm
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Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:29 pm to weagle1999
Should aggravated felons be legally allowed to purchase firearms?
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:30 pm to ClientNumber9
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Should aggravated felons be legally allowed to purchase firearms?
They shouldn’t be allowed to purchase them in prison.
If they are a danger then why are they not in prison?
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:31 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:well we don't prosecute or properly sentence felons in possession of firearms.
Should aggravated felons be legally allowed to purchase firearms?
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:37 pm to choupiquesushi
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well we don't prosecute or properly sentence felons in possession of firearms.
This is the correct answer.^^^
We don't punish the ones who misuse the tool that's a Constitutional Right to own.
We just make it harder to exercise your Constitutional Right to own it.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:42 pm to weagle1999
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They shouldn’t be allowed to purchase them in prison.
If they are a danger then why are they not in prison?
Uhh, maybe because they've served their prison sentence? Doesn't mean I want a person with three prior aggravated robberies owning a firearm.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:44 pm to rooster108bm
How would we know a felon is buying a gun without a background check?
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:46 pm to ClientNumber9
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Should aggravated felons be legally allowed to purchase firearms?
Aggravated felons should be in prison so long, they don’t even want a gun. But to answer your question, yes aggravated felons should be allowed to purchase firearms. The Constitution does not say “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, except for aggravated felons.”
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:47 pm to ClientNumber9
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Uhh, maybe because they've served their prison sentence? Doesn't mean I want a person with three prior aggravated robberies owning a firearm.
If they are a danger they shouldn’t be back in society. You don’t trust our criminal justice system.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:51 pm to weagle1999
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If they are a danger then why are they not in prison?
Surprises me how many people don’t seem to understand this. When criminals are convicted, they are given a sentence for their crime. Often it is a determinant amount of time, meaning incarcerating them beyond that time is illegal. Serving their sentence doesn’t mean they are no longer a danger, very often it means exactly the opposite. But it does mean the must be released.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:52 pm to weagle1999
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:52 pm to weagle1999
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:53 pm to weagle1999
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You don’t trust our criminal justice system.
No, I don't.
Too many repeat offenders on bail or probation out there wreaking havoc for me to trust the justice system.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 3:58 pm to troyt37
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Aggravated felons should be in prison so long, they don’t even want a gun. But to answer your question, yes aggravated felons should be allowed to purchase firearms. The Constitution does not say “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, except for aggravated felons.”
Silly argument. Constitution also doesn't mention 12 year old children purchasing firearms or bipolar, schizophrenic people going out and picking up rifles but I'm sure you're not in support of that.
Almost all the amendments have caveats and carve outs, weighing societal, governmental and personal interests. No constitutional freedom is absolute, including the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th and many others.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:00 pm to ClientNumber9
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Should aggravated felons be legally allowed to purchase firearms?
If they’re still a danger to society then ideally they’d still be in prison.
Once someone has served their time and paid their debt to society they should enjoy the freedoms this great country provides.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:01 pm to weagle1999
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If they are a danger they shouldn’t be back in society. You don’t trust our criminal justice system.
That's not how the judicial system works. If you commit a crime and are found guilty, you are given a sentence. It's not like you do your 3 or 5 or 10 year sentence and then some random person or panel decides if you've earned your freedom. That's what probation and other post confinement conditions are for.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:05 pm to ClientNumber9
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That's not how the judicial system works. If you commit a crime and are found guilty, you are given a sentence. It's not like you do your 3 or 5 or 10 year sentence and then some random person or panel decides if you've earned your freedom. That's what probation and other post confinement conditions are for.
Okay, but all of that was the case before background checks were instituted. And having been alive then I can tell you the country wasn’t the Wild West with shootouts.
Concealed carry is much more common now. Perhaps that change means we should re-think the background check.
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:06 pm to ClientNumber9
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No constitutional freedom is absolute, including the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th and many others.
Which one of those require a background check before you can exercise them?
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:08 pm to troyt37
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Surprises me how many people don’t seem to understand this. When criminals are convicted, they are given a sentence for their crime. Often it is a determinant amount of time, meaning incarcerating them beyond that time is illegal. Serving their sentence doesn’t mean they are no longer a danger, very often it means exactly the opposite. But it does mean the must be released.
Then change the sentencing guidelines.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 4:11 pm to weagle1999
First amendment often requires permitting. And I'll promise you this- the people applying for the permit absolutely get background checked. Fourth amendment- every time you leave or re-enter the US, you are screened, detained and often searched with zero suspicion. And your background is most definitely checked. The right to vote - you have to prove you are a resident of that jurisdiction before you're allowed to pull a lever. All of these examples indicate a person having to prove they have the right to exercise that constitutional right to an authority before exercising it.
I don't want mentally ill trannies running through the streets with M4s, spraying up schools because "orange man bad".
I don't want mentally ill trannies running through the streets with M4s, spraying up schools because "orange man bad".
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 4:13 pm
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