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Is there a worse form of government than democracy?
Posted on 3/16/25 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 3/16/25 at 11:47 pm
Monarchs at least had a vested interest in the success of the country over the long run. Democratic politicians have high time preferences and deplete all the resources they can in a period of 2, 4, 6, or 8 years. More of what we earn today goes to the federal government than what we were paying to the crown when we rebelled. Tradition and custom have been replaced by whatever fleeting whims or prejudices the mob favors at a given time. The result is what we see - cultural decay and moral/financial bankruptcy.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 11:52 pm to DyeHardDylan
"Democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried."
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:08 am to DyeHardDylan
Someone's a Hoppe fan.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:11 am to DyeHardDylan
I think a monarchy would probably preferable to a system where the only requirement to have a voice in the direction of the country is merely existing.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:11 am to DyeHardDylan
I would also argue that motivations between monarchs and entrenched politicians to continue the status quo are not dissimilar. They both desire wealth, power, and prestige for themselves and their progeny. At least you [ideally] have influence in a democracy.
And, dictatorships masquerading as communist utopias, like the DPRK, are axiomatically worse forms of government.
And, dictatorships masquerading as communist utopias, like the DPRK, are axiomatically worse forms of government.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 12:20 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:15 am to HeadCall
quote:Isn't a monarch's only requirement to rule a country, unless they are first of the line, to merely exist?
I think a monarchy would probably preferable to a system where the only requirement to have a voice in the direction of the country is merely existing.
Also, is this where we're at now? "Patriots" pining for the return of monarchistic rule?
What could possibly go wrong?

This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 12:40 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:45 am to DyeHardDylan
Yeah literally everything else so far blows arse in comparison. We have never seen the average person have it so good.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:48 am to northshorebamaman
benign despot has always been viewed as the most superior form of govt
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:50 am to SkiUtah420
quote:Yes. But the rub is you never know if the next one will be so benign, and have zero recourse, short of revolution, if not.
benign despot has always been viewed as the most superior form of govt
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 12:52 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:51 am to northshorebamaman
quote:
Isn't a monarch's only requirement to rule a country, unless they are first of the line, to merely exist?
Well I think the idea is that good genes are passed down through the family.
quote:
Also, is this where we're at now? "Patriots" pining for the return of monarchistic rule?
Only if my liege is Elon obviously
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:56 am to HeadCall
quote:History is riddled with examples that suggest the contrary.
Well I think the idea is that good genes are passed down through the family.
To be clear, so I can be precise with my responses: are you suggesting that being ruled by a king is superior to our current form of government?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:59 am to northshorebamaman
quote:
To be clear, so I can be precise with my responses: are you suggesting that being ruled by a king is superior to our current form of government?
Nah not really, just a thought experiment really and suggesting that we should do something about our voting restrictions.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:05 am to HeadCall
quote:Cool. So I can put you down as not agreeing with OP that monarchy is superior to democracy.
Nah not really, just a thought experiment really and suggesting that we should do something about our voting restrictions.
And speaking of thought experiments, that's all debate about 'voting restrictions' will ever be under a monarchy.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:06 am to DyeHardDylan
You always have the Haves and the Have Nots. At least in a Western Democracy the Have Nots can still have a decent standard of living compared to the Third World. As long as you have food, shelter, laws, and some type of health care. You are doing better than people who don't have those basic needs fullfilled.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:53 am to HeadCall
Elon is an advisor. He looks at departments and finds leftist money laundering and do nothing employees ripping the rest of us off. The democrats and leftists are back to their usual bullshite with racism and transim and any other name calling to stop Trump from cutting off their free money.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 6:49 am to DyeHardDylan
Interesting to see this thread here.
If you distilled each of the classic forms of government (monarchy, oligarchy, and democracy) down to its pure and best form, monarchy is obviously the best, and that shouldn’t be controversial either.
However, the best government is suited to the people it rules. Each form can be more or less appropriate depending on who the people are that it governs. When America was founded, I think the federal system with democratically elected representatives was the natural and correct system which organically arose from the circumstances.
The problem today is multifaceted. First, the system which was initially set up has been diluted substantially over time. Universal suffrage was never meant to be the law of the land for the voting of representatives, and the founders would have considered it lunacy for this to be so. Everyone knows it’s bad, everyone can see that not everyone deserves a vote, but we’ve been so conditioned into this liberal hyper individualist form of thinking no one has the gumption to call it out for the disaster that it is.
Second, people have been brainwashed into not even properly understanding what the current system actually is. It’s hard to see, because technically it has more “democracy” than the founding, but the expansion of suffrage was and always has been a cynical tool for bolstering oligarchy. That is what our current system is, oligarchy. It doesn’t work like the constitution says, unelected bureaucrats and agencies control everything we do, along with a Congress with outrageous incumbency rates (due to cynical manipulation of the underclass voting as mentioned earlier). FDR created a new form of government that is nothing like what the constitution says it is. And a creative theater keeps everyone pretending it is what we think it is supposed to be.
Now we get to today, with a people unfit to rule themselves and alienated from their own society. I think it is inevitable a Caesar figure comes to rule over a shattered and inept republic just as happened in Rome, the question is when. A true hierarchical monarchy would not work here, because it requires an organic tradition that the population respects, and that would be impossible to achieve.
If you distilled each of the classic forms of government (monarchy, oligarchy, and democracy) down to its pure and best form, monarchy is obviously the best, and that shouldn’t be controversial either.
However, the best government is suited to the people it rules. Each form can be more or less appropriate depending on who the people are that it governs. When America was founded, I think the federal system with democratically elected representatives was the natural and correct system which organically arose from the circumstances.
The problem today is multifaceted. First, the system which was initially set up has been diluted substantially over time. Universal suffrage was never meant to be the law of the land for the voting of representatives, and the founders would have considered it lunacy for this to be so. Everyone knows it’s bad, everyone can see that not everyone deserves a vote, but we’ve been so conditioned into this liberal hyper individualist form of thinking no one has the gumption to call it out for the disaster that it is.
Second, people have been brainwashed into not even properly understanding what the current system actually is. It’s hard to see, because technically it has more “democracy” than the founding, but the expansion of suffrage was and always has been a cynical tool for bolstering oligarchy. That is what our current system is, oligarchy. It doesn’t work like the constitution says, unelected bureaucrats and agencies control everything we do, along with a Congress with outrageous incumbency rates (due to cynical manipulation of the underclass voting as mentioned earlier). FDR created a new form of government that is nothing like what the constitution says it is. And a creative theater keeps everyone pretending it is what we think it is supposed to be.
Now we get to today, with a people unfit to rule themselves and alienated from their own society. I think it is inevitable a Caesar figure comes to rule over a shattered and inept republic just as happened in Rome, the question is when. A true hierarchical monarchy would not work here, because it requires an organic tradition that the population respects, and that would be impossible to achieve.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:00 am to DyeHardDylan
Term limits would solve some problems. It would require people running after they’d spent some time in the private sector.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:03 am to DyeHardDylan
Socialism and Communism in all its iterations is worse than Democracy. Democracies work great in homogenous countries. A Nationalist Republic is the best path forward for America.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 7:04 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 7:08 am to DyeHardDylan
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Monarchs at least had a vested interest in the success of the country over the long run.
Tell that to the Romanovs.
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