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Former U.S. ambassador to Russia says Putin needs to be defeated

Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:46 am
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:46 am
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:51 am to
So dumb.

The common retort "go fight yourself” is a false equivalence. It implies that the only legitimate form of support for a cause or conflict is direct military involvement.

Support for a country or a cause can take many forms, including diplomatic, economic, humanitarian aid, or moral support. This argument dismisses the validity of non-combatant support roles.
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:52 am to
Shut up bitch, ChatGPT using clown
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:02 am to
A person who advocates for war without any sort of personal sacrifice is the truest piece of shite.

If we did not have the ability to just print money out of thin air, none of these people would be pro war.

If you are not personally writing a check for $10,000 to Ukraine or sending your son over there I don't want to hear a word from you.

Posted by BigPerm30
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:05 am to
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The common retort "go fight yourself” is a false equivalence.


He’s not literally telling him to go fight himself. He’s essentially saying if you aren’t willing to die or have your son/grandson to die then shut the frick up. These elites love to fight because they have no skin in the game. Are you too dense to realize that?
Posted by The Maj
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:07 am to
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Support for a country or a cause can take many forms, including diplomatic, economic, humanitarian aid,


All of which continue to feed the MIC...

If you haven't noticed sport, this country needs to reel in some spending and start paying attention to issues at home...

What happens in Ukraine has no bearing on anything relevant to this country...
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:09 am to
Why?
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:15 am to
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RFK




so you're in agreement with that fricking count from Canada who giggled about putting freezes on normal people's bank accounts



You're one of the top five cowards on this entire site
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:18 am to
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A person who advocates for war without any sort of personal sacrifice is the truest piece of shite.
If Putin is allowed to run roughshod over Ukraine unchecked, it destabilizes the world order and the cause for liberty. All Americans have a vested interest in that. The personal sacrifice is deciding to support that conflict, versus another cause.
Posted by The Maj
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:20 am to
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it destabilizes the world order and the cause for liberty.


You are fricking retarded... The U.S. has done more to destabilize the world in the name of Democracy than any other country on the face of this planet... All to feed the MIC, which you are a willing lackey of...
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:20 am to
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so you're in agreement with that fricking count from Canada who giggled about putting freezes on normal people's bank accounts
I don’t agree with that at all, not sure how you equate that to my support for Ukraine and the rules based international order.

This is about Putin’s actions abroad and against a significant U.S. partner.
Posted by Epaminondas
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:20 am to
The people who "support Ukraine" really support hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians being killed or suffering crippling injurues and Ukraine being impoverished. It was always clear that would be the result.

Don't volunteer other people to suffer and die in an unwinnable war if you're not willing to fight with them.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:23 am to
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This is about Putin’s actions abroad and against a significant U.S. partner.




This is about you being too stupid to understand the last 30 years of history
Posted by aubie101
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:24 am to
Turn off CNN. If Putin truly wanted all of Ukraine this war would be over. The fact is we have not seen complete and total war yet. He could flatten all of it but has been pretty damn restrained. Kyeiv has power in most areas, has nightlife and many other things that if this was total war would not happen.

Putin is not a threat to Europe or are way of life.
This post was edited on 12/18/24 at 7:28 am
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:25 am to
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You are fricking retarded... The U.S. has done more to destabilize the world in the name of Democracy than any other country on the face of this planet... All to feed the MIC, which you are a willing lackey of...




yep!

and he knows it, he just gets his rocks off lying, because he's evil
Posted by thermal9221
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:25 am to
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RFK


Worst take ever
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:26 am to
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Don't volunteer other people to suffer and die in an unwinnable war if you're not willing to fight with them.
The people of Ukraine are fighting because they want to. Because they have to. The U.S. should support them as long as they are willing to fight for their own independence.

The U.S. didn’t start this war, Putin did. He enlists the help of Iran and is even putting nKorean soldiers into Ukraine. He has to expect Ukraine will enlist the help of allies.

And I disagree “it was always clear that Ukraine would lose.” Putin was within 50 km of Kiev 3 years ago before he was beaten back. He expected to have captured the country almost immediately. Now he’s lost a million men with net territorial losses. I doubt this was a part of his grand plan. If so, he’s the best military strategist since Hitler.

Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:29 am to
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the rules based international order

That is whatever the U.S. and Israel says it is that day.

If Russia or China meddled in Mexico 1/10th as much we did in Ukraine, we would have started WWIII over it.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:33 am to
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The people of Ukraine are fighting because they want to.



you're a pathological liar


quote:

The U.S. didn’t start this war, Putin did.



pathological liar



Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Obama/Hillary, Obama/Hillary, Biden provoked this war over the course of 30 years, and you know it. Ukraine people are cannon fodder to them. Let's not forget Kerry and McCain and the fricking idiot from Utah.
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