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House Democrat: We should revisit pardon power in Constitution
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:44 pm
What timing! 
Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) spoke out after President Biden’s pardoning of his son Hunter on Sunday, saying the decision sparks a conversation about revisiting the pardon power in the Constitution.
“As a father myself and as someone who knows Joe Biden I can sympathize with his perspective,” he said on CNN on Monday. “Having said that, what other father in America has power to pardon his son or daughter if they’re convicted of a crime?”
“I really think we have to revisit the pardon power in the Constitution,” he added. “At the very least, we’ve got to circumscribe it so that you don’t get to pardon relatives, even if you believe passionately that they’re innocent or their cause is just.”
He referenced President-elect Trump’s pardon of his son-in-law’s father Charles Kushner, who Trump recently named as the U.S. Ambassador to France, calling that pardon an “abuse of power.”
Connolly also added that he disagreed with the sweeping power of the pardon, suggesting a constitutional amendment to enumerate the pardon power’s limits. LINK
Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) spoke out after President Biden’s pardoning of his son Hunter on Sunday, saying the decision sparks a conversation about revisiting the pardon power in the Constitution.
“As a father myself and as someone who knows Joe Biden I can sympathize with his perspective,” he said on CNN on Monday. “Having said that, what other father in America has power to pardon his son or daughter if they’re convicted of a crime?”
“I really think we have to revisit the pardon power in the Constitution,” he added. “At the very least, we’ve got to circumscribe it so that you don’t get to pardon relatives, even if you believe passionately that they’re innocent or their cause is just.”
He referenced President-elect Trump’s pardon of his son-in-law’s father Charles Kushner, who Trump recently named as the U.S. Ambassador to France, calling that pardon an “abuse of power.”
Connolly also added that he disagreed with the sweeping power of the pardon, suggesting a constitutional amendment to enumerate the pardon power’s limits. LINK
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:46 pm to Jbird
Translation: We don't want to have to deal with the political ramifications of the sort of dirtbags we are now choosing to elevate to that office.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:48 pm to Jbird
Setting aside the current situation entirely.
In a vacuum, I don’t really see why the executive has pardon power at the federal or state level.
In a vacuum, I don’t really see why the executive has pardon power at the federal or state level.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:48 pm to prouddawg
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I prefer to leave the document alone.
This argument gets really circular whenever you consider that the document provides for amendments.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:50 pm to Indefatigable
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In a vacuum, I don’t really see why the executive has pardon power at the federal or state level.
Me either, but Gerry can fock himself. They don't get to pull up the ladder
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:50 pm to Jbird
Wait, so Biden's pardon, A-ok, Trump's pardon = abuse of power?
frick these idiots, I'm so glad the pendulum has swung and people are speaking out against shite like this. This guy needs to be thrown out of DC.
frick these idiots, I'm so glad the pendulum has swung and people are speaking out against shite like this. This guy needs to be thrown out of DC.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:53 pm to Indefatigable
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In a vacuum, I don’t really see why the executive has pardon power at the federal or state level.
So that the highest elected person can put a stop to a disaster of a trial that is clearly rigged or something
You need someone or someway to throw out absolutely the worst of worst trials and convictions that have no other way of being dealt with
Now pardoning your coke head son that you worked with on making Ukraine a near world war wasnt thought about but still
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:53 pm to Jbird
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He referenced President-elect Trump’s pardon of his son-in-law’s father Charles Kushner
So.. Joe Biden's pardon of his son was okay... but Trump's pardon of Charles Kushner was an abuse of power. Got it.
I don't think we need to be listening to Gerry Connolly on.. well... anything at all.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:55 pm to Jbird
Im all for revisiting the blanket pardon part. No one person, Democrat or Republican, should have that kind of power.
Its really weird that the founding fathers even came up with this since they were completely against one rule power.
Its really weird that the founding fathers even came up with this since they were completely against one rule power.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:56 pm to Barbados
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Now pardoning your coke head son that you worked with on making Ukraine a near world war wasnt thought about but still
I'd suggest it was always inherently understood that it was a political power that would have accompanying political ramifications if abused.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:57 pm to Barbados
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So that the highest elected person can put a stop to a disaster of a trial that is clearly rigged or something You need someone or someway to throw out absolutely the worst of worst trials and convictions that have no other way of being dealt with
That’s what the appeals courts are for—but I take your point. Plenty of pre-DNA cases that exhausted appeals and were only released by governors granting clemency, etc.
It just seems like an opportunity for impropriety going forward though in our climate. Especially when the legality of prospective pardons is being considered.
If I were drafting a modern US constitution, I don’t know that I’d want plenary pardon power in there.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:07 pm to Indefatigable
Appeals also don't cover juries just getting it wrong. There has to be some sort of technical legal issue, evidence issue, or tampering.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:08 pm to ElCazador
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Appeals also don't cover juries just getting it wrong. There has to be some sort of technical legal issue, evidence issue, or tampering.
Those things are generally connected to juries just getting it wrong, but I hear you.
It’s quite the grant of power though, that our system more broadly doesn’t extend to its executive as a principle.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:08 pm to Jbird
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:10 pm to Jbird
I gotta believe the founders never foresaw such a dishonorable person being "elected" chief executive.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:19 pm to Jbird
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Connolly also added that he disagreed with the sweeping power of the pardon, suggesting a constitutional amendment to enumerate the pardon power’s limits.
At least he's suggesting that the proper process be used, via amendment.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:23 pm to GumboPot
That's golden
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:24 pm to Jbird
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Connolly also added that he disagreed with the sweeping power of the pardon, suggesting a constitutional amendment to enumerate the pardon power’s limits.
Good luck with that.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:29 pm to Jbird
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House Democrat: We should revisit pardon power in Constitution
Uh huh. Until there's a democrat in office again. Then they'll want to bring it back
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:39 pm to Jbird
We absolutely should revisit pardon power.
Individual Presidential Pardons by President:
FDR - 3,687
Woodrow Wilson - 2,480
Truman - 2,044
Obama - 1,927
Coolidge - 1,545
Hoover - 1,385
Grant - 1,332
LBJ - 1,187
Eisenhower - 1,157
Cleveland - 1,107
Teddy R. - 981
Nixon - 926
McKinley - 918
Hayes - 893
Harding - 800
Taft - 758
Andrew Johnson - 654
B. Harrison - 613
JFK - 575
Carter - 566
Clinton - 459
Monroe - 419
Ford - 409 (including pardoning Nixon)
Reagan - 406
Andrew Jackson - 386
Lincoln - 343
Arthur - 337
Polk - 268
Trump - 237
Tyler - 209
GW Bush - 200
Madison - 196
JQ Adams - 183
Fillmore - 170
Van Buren - 168
Buchanan - 150
Pierce - 142
Jefferson - 119
GH Bush - 77
Z Taylor - 38
Biden - 26 (and counting)
Adams - 20
Washington - 16
WH Harrison - 0 (in office 1 month)
Garfield - 0 (in office just over 6 months)
Individual Presidential Pardons by President:
FDR - 3,687
Woodrow Wilson - 2,480
Truman - 2,044
Obama - 1,927
Coolidge - 1,545
Hoover - 1,385
Grant - 1,332
LBJ - 1,187
Eisenhower - 1,157
Cleveland - 1,107
Teddy R. - 981
Nixon - 926
McKinley - 918
Hayes - 893
Harding - 800
Taft - 758
Andrew Johnson - 654
B. Harrison - 613
JFK - 575
Carter - 566
Clinton - 459
Monroe - 419
Ford - 409 (including pardoning Nixon)
Reagan - 406
Andrew Jackson - 386
Lincoln - 343
Arthur - 337
Polk - 268
Trump - 237
Tyler - 209
GW Bush - 200
Madison - 196
JQ Adams - 183
Fillmore - 170
Van Buren - 168
Buchanan - 150
Pierce - 142
Jefferson - 119
GH Bush - 77
Z Taylor - 38
Biden - 26 (and counting)
Adams - 20
Washington - 16
WH Harrison - 0 (in office 1 month)
Garfield - 0 (in office just over 6 months)
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