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Since the bowls are dying, maybe an NIT for P4 teams...
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:06 am
I know, this is more of an offseason thread, but the thought occurred to me, so...
Not a full tourney all the way to 1 team. Instead, two games, to determine which is the best 3rd, 4th etc team.
Basically, if you are SEC, ACC, Big 10 or Big 12 (I guess you can seed Notre Dame somehow, maybe ACC), you match up and play. Like, SEC vs ACC on one side, winner plays Big 12 vs Big 10 team. Games slotted for order of finish in your conference. So if you finish 5th, you play the 5th team in each conference (tweaked of course for who made the playoffs).
It would be more interesting than the random bowls we've seen, because you're still playing to advance (you might get better participation), and fans get to see some "name" opponents.
Wonder if Vandy would take out Fla State, etc.
Not a full tourney all the way to 1 team. Instead, two games, to determine which is the best 3rd, 4th etc team.
Basically, if you are SEC, ACC, Big 10 or Big 12 (I guess you can seed Notre Dame somehow, maybe ACC), you match up and play. Like, SEC vs ACC on one side, winner plays Big 12 vs Big 10 team. Games slotted for order of finish in your conference. So if you finish 5th, you play the 5th team in each conference (tweaked of course for who made the playoffs).
It would be more interesting than the random bowls we've seen, because you're still playing to advance (you might get better participation), and fans get to see some "name" opponents.
Wonder if Vandy would take out Fla State, etc.
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 10:56 am to Scoob
Absolutely not! That means they probably will.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:01 am to Scoob
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Instead, two games, to determine which is the best 3rd, 4th etc team.
Congrats. You have come up with an idea for games that would be even more meaningless than actual bowl games. I didn't think it was possible, but kudos to you.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:07 am to Scoob
So, you want a tourney to see who finishes 13th?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:27 am to LSUGrad9295
quote:Hey, you wouldn't have to watch
Congrats. You have come up with an idea for games that would be even more meaningless than actual bowl games. I didn't think it was possible, but kudos to you.
But let's keep a little perspective- football is entertainment. There's no real societal benefit other than to entertain us, so technically it's all meaningless.
I love football as entertainment, and now that the NFL has put some stupid rules into the special team plays (long extra pts, goofy kickoff crap), college is the purest form left. We, especially the older generations, all have bowls on during the holiday season, to get that last little bit of football before it's gone.
When I watch, I have 2 desires- I want my team to win, and if it's not my team involved I want a good competitive game with teams I recognize.
This addresses the second point (and sorry, I don't care about Sunbelt or Mountain West teams); you'd get 2 more weeks of exhibition football, with known teams (such as Nebraska, Auburn, Baylor, Pitt etc), in what should be fairly even matchups. Perfect way to pass an afternoon while waiting on the "real" games.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:42 am to Scoob
quote:No it won't. You might get LESS participation because now instead of asking NFL bound players to stick around for one more Pop Tarts Bowl, you're asking them to stay for multiple meaningless games. Anyone who would have opted out of a bowl game because they were going to the NFL draft or transfer portal is still going to opt out of this format...likely with even more opt outs.
It would be more interesting than the random bowls we've seen, because you're still playing to advance (you might get better participation),
ETA: and the only reason bowls continue to exist is because of corporate sponsorships and ESPN paying for broadcast rights to 90% of the bowl games so they have at least 1 or 2 games to air every day 7 days a week from mid-December to the weekend after the new year. For the most part, especially early in bowl season with lower tier teams, there aren't many games that overlap with each other's time slot. If each team is playing multiple games, the broadcast rights per game aren't as lucrative because there's going to have to be time slots that overlap, so the audience is split. Now you don't have as much money for payouts to get schools to come play in your game.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:04 pm to Scoob
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you'd get 2 more weeks of exhibition football, with known teams (such as Nebraska, Auburn, Baylor, Pitt etc), in what should be fairly even matchups. Perfect way to pass an afternoon while waiting on the "real" games.
I don't argue that. But what makes you think this will stop the opt-outs?
"Yeah, man, I am going to risk getting hurt and losing millions in the draft because I really want to see if the 5th best team in the SEC is better than the 5th best team in the ACC"
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 12:35 pm to LSUGrad9295
quote:Well, the NFL guys will probably still opt out. I don't think you can stop that.
I don't argue that. But what makes you think this will stop the opt-outs?
Ironically, the lower matchups (say, 7th or 8th place teams) may be a lot better, for that very reason. You're not going to have a bunch of NFL prospects, just a lot of guys who are about to finish their playing careers... and matched up against a relatively "name" program with a lot of the same caliber of players. Bob's about to go start his career selling insurance, but he can go play 1-2 more times, against say, Syracuse and then maybe Michigan State or Baylor. If it were me, I'd want those last moments.
I'd rather watch that than the New Orleans Bowl between Fresno and ULL; and I'd rather watch the New Orleans Bowl than not have anything. I'm basically approaching this from that perspective.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:29 pm to Scoob
G5 needs their own playoff. Need to accept that there are too many differences between the P4 and the rest of FBS .
Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:08 pm to Scoob
Well shite why don't we just modify the current CFP to 14 teams... where the P4 conference champs + next 2 highest ranked get the top 6 seeds / top 2 getting first round byes. The remaining 8 spots are decided via 16 8-team, 3-round Regionals, with the 16 Regional Champs moving on to a 1-round Super Regional.
That way, all 134 D1 Football teams get a post season participation trophy AND have a shot at winning it all.
That way, all 134 D1 Football teams get a post season participation trophy AND have a shot at winning it all.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 9/20/24 at 3:38 pm to Scoob
quote:
you'd get 2 more weeks of exhibition football,
Starting mid-summer, I long for the start of the football season. Every single year I get hyped for the Hall of Fame game. And every year I am sick of exhibition football by the 3rd quarter of that one game.
Putting exhibition games at the end of the season would make them even worse.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 4:51 pm to Basura Blanco
quote:I'm going to disagree here.
Starting mid-summer, I long for the start of the football season. Every single year I get hyped for the Hall of Fame game. And every year I am sick of exhibition football by the 3rd quarter of that one game.
Putting exhibition games at the end of the season would make them even worse.
I don't care for NFL exhibitions, because they're all about looking at fringe players and seeing if they can make the team somewhere.
A college game, a bowl, is extra football at the end of the year, when it's all about to quit. My suggestion would make up name schools (schools from the power conferences, not one of the many random G5 directional schools), of roughly equal performance over the season, with what you'd assume would be roughly equal talent across the board. You probably get the same amount of opt outs on both sides, which should decline the lower you go in finish. After all, if you have 8 NFL prospects who would skip a bowl to prepare for the draft, you probably didn't finish 6th in your conference. You probably have a bunch of dudes who know the real world is a few weeks away, and would want a game or 2 more to enjoy it.
The only real difference I am suggesting from most bowl tie-ins, is to lock in the opponent to a specific major conference, and to give the winners an additional game.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 5:39 pm to Scoob
Sounds useless, however, if it's going to happen why only:
By the time you get down to that group, throw in Top G5 teams vs. some of those P4s. What's the harm? #18 Boise vs. #15 Mizzu. Why not?
quote:?
Basically, if you are SEC, ACC, Big 10 or Big 12 (I guess you can seed Notre Dame somehow, maybe ACC), you match up and play. Like, SEC vs ACC on one side, winner plays Big 12 vs Big 10 team. Games slotted for order of finish in your conference. So if you finish 5th, you play the 5th team in each conference (tweaked of course for who made the playoffs).
By the time you get down to that group, throw in Top G5 teams vs. some of those P4s. What's the harm? #18 Boise vs. #15 Mizzu. Why not?
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