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re: Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed - container ship wrecked into it

Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:16 pm to
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
23602 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

The ship's captain called in a "MayDay" so they stopped traffic to the bridge a minute before impact.


Damn. If this was the case, why wasnt the construction team notified?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
166766 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:19 pm to
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Damn. If this was the case, why wasnt the construction team notified?


It wasn't any police who stopped traffic. They didn't have enough time to get a call and react. It was construction workers who were able to get off of the bridge in time.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
5653 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:25 pm to
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Your standalone thread was killed, luckily I had clicked the link and watched the video. Solid breakdown of the events with GPS tracking times (somewhat) to the video.



When a ship leaves port there is a requirement to start stand-by generators for the duration of the voyage out.
But sometimes there are other issues, a switch board failure, or auto-control issue and you can lose the lot. it has happened to me a few times over the years.
Everything goes off-line and the main engines shut down automatically because they have no feed pumps for fuel, lube oil and air.
The emergency generator will usually start - a small diesel housed on the upper deck usually behind the bridge. It gives enough power for the nav gear and some ventilation, and enough power to enable the engineers to get the rest of the gear back on-line.
That is probably driving the lights we see come back on but not as many as before. The engineers then go round the engine room and control room and manually switch all the gear back on. That can take some time.
But because of the emergency the engineers in this case would have to make a terrible decision to start the main engines immediately to go emergency full astern possibly without supporting pumps and almost certainly with some engine damage.
Black smoke is always a sign of incomplete combustion. the massive pumps that supply air to the engine room would be off-line and so the engines would be gasping for air. The fuel would burn but without enough air hence the black smoke.
in full-astern mode the rudder would be useless.
I really hope the anchor team got off the foredeck before the bridge came down on top of them.

Comment from the video
Posted by Mr Roboto
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:28 pm to
This is the stupidest junk
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted by berrycajun
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
6998 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:30 pm to
Now people are saying the captain is Ukrainian. Lol

No idea if he is or isn’t. I’m seeing his pic and info etc circulating, but i don’t know if it’s real so i don’t want to post. The pic they are posting comes from Balticshipping.com under Dali

I don’t think it means anything even it he is Ukrainian, but they are never going to shut up now if so.

And I believe in a lot of conspiracy theories. This, however, is not one of them.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
101236 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:30 pm to
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Looks intentional


Perfectly good explanation above your post by a professional and then you come with this.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
5653 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Looks intentional


Seems to highlight that the ship lost steering and power drifted and in the last moments regained steering but it was too late.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Member since Mar 2012
5653 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:31 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
9069 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:31 pm to
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Looks intentional


Yes. Lets take a ground level video from an obtuse angle at 20X fast forward and make some assumptions ignoring obvious loss of power, speed of vessel, and wind direction and current.

Oh, and the video capturing the motion glare of the refinery lights in the distance as the bridge collapses is DEFINITELY a shaped C4 charge.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
166766 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:31 pm to
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What do you notice?

I notice them regain power and almost turn out of the way at the end.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
27071 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:32 pm to
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Looking at the bridge I am still a little unsure why the furthest right span failed.

To me it looked like with the left pier out, the right span turned into a simple span supported on both sides (one side the remaining pier, and the other the approach).

My guess is the furthest right section of the bridge (where the bridge starts) was never meant to support that kind of shear load when the central span fell, but I do buildings and not bridges.

Any bridge structural guys out there that can help me out?



First things first, I am not a degreed engineer but Uncle Sam spent a lot of time and money teaching me to produce dynamic bridge failures and to identify and exploit the vulnerabilities that can produce this using the least time, explosives, and manpower. In a nutshell, I was taught to break shite y'all build so basically failure modes is what I see when I look at a bridge.

When the continuous span fails left of the right bearing you are not left with a simple span to the right of the bearing. You are left with a component of a continuous span. If you watch the GIF the moment the lower chord fails on the left side of the right bearing that chord loses all its axial tension and the remaining portion of the span has nothing to hold it and it fails to the right side of the right bearing and just rotates on the bearing into the water.

The engineers could have used far more material and built the individual portions between bearings to function as simple spans but that costs a lot of money and would have been a completely different bridge design (arguably less aesthetic) with three sets of trusses that functioned independently. I have occasionally seen this approach used on rail bridges but they have different loading requirements.

BTW I know I am preaching to the choir so don't take anything as intentional condescension.

Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
4205 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:35 pm to
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oh yea typing an I instead of A is just pure stupidity...how dare I not proof read a post on message board.


Should have just said you did it on purpose in the spirit of your post.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6198 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

The ship hit the bridge just before the Hawkins Point low tide of 2:13 AM. Little to no tidal movement.. barely creeping out in the same direction as the ship if anything.

Was curious so looked it up. Hawkins Point low tide occurred approximately one hour after the incident, reported to be 1:30 a.m. Winds at NOAA Fort McHenry station calm and negligible. Wind and tide do not appear to be a contributing factor.





Joining the speculation normal for an OT thread, it is a) absolutely possible for an electrical switchboard malfunction to kill the engine and b) a 250 ton Crane Barge or DP Vessel with same could arrive anywhere from one week to one month from now. My educated guess is more than one will be required, with extensive manned diving demolition crews needed.

There will be significant and time consuming structural analytical engineering work required before they begin removing the bridge sections and container vessel. This is a huge project with only a few companies in the world capable of executing without making a bad situation worse.

God Bless to all affected by this tragic accident.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
48048 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Solid breakdown of the events with GPS tracking times (somewhat) to the video.


That's a stunning video. Watching that vehicle going over the bridge right before the hit made my heart race. I hope that car made it off in time.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
147086 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:37 pm to
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I notice them regain power and almost turn out of the way at the end.


They regained power twice and the black smoke was the vessel attempting to back down but a 1000’ ship traveling at 9 knots isn’t just going to stop and start backing on a dime.

Even if they dropped 8 anchors, that ship wasn’t stopping
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
126456 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:42 pm to
All this just makes me think how vulnerable this country is.

You wouldn't even have to destroy the infrastructure in total. Just do enough damage to reduce the integrity to the point of inoperability.

Our infrastructure is already crumbling, something like this could kick it over

Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
147086 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:42 pm to
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When a ship leaves port there is a requirement to start stand-by generators for the duration of the voyage out


It depends on the vessel. Some vessels aren’t equipped or set up to run 2 generators at a time. I don’t how this vessel was set up.

quote:

Black smoke is always a sign of incomplete combustion. the massive pumps that supply air to the engine room would be off-line and so the engines would be gasping for air. The fuel would burn but without enough air hence the black smoke. in full-astern mode the rudder would be useless. I really hope the anchor team got off the foredeck before the bridge came down on top of them.


The black smoke was likely an indication that the vessel was trying to back down
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
52559 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Even if they dropped 8 anchors, that ship wasn’t stopping



"Just drop the anchor!"-Says the guy that has watched Battleship 20 times.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
14929 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

All this just makes me think how vulnerable this country is.

You wouldn't even have to destroy the infrastructure in total. Just do enough damage to reduce the integrity to the point of inoperability.

Our infrastructure is already crumbling, something like this could kick it over



I think about this a lot. Could really cripple an entire region if you hit a few bridges, railways, and key power grid targets.
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