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re: Alabama AG says he has the right to prosecute those who facilitate out-of-state abortions

Posted on 9/1/23 at 10:47 pm to
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
10749 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 10:47 pm to
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Look up an inchoate crime


That is what my whole post ultimately boils down to.

When does the first step of an abortion occur? It could be argued that when travel plans are made and when medical appointments are made, the first steps of an abortion have occurred. And abortion is illegal in Alabama. So thus steps have been made to commit a crime if such planning occurred while in Alabama.

The three basic categories of inchoate are attempt, solicitation, and conspiracy. So, thank you for supporting the argument that an inchoate crime occurs when an abortion is planned and scheduled, thus being attempted. Also thank you for supporting my argument that when multiple parties work together to orchestrate an abortion, they are guilty of conspiracy to commit a crime. Which is exactly what the original quote says.

If you are standing inside the borders of Alabama and make an appointment for an abortion to be performed, and then also arrange all travel, are you in the process of receiving or providing an abortion? It could be argued very logically that yes, one is in the process of an abortion. And if all this happened while physically in the state of Alabama, and since abortion is illegal in Alabama, is one guilty of a crime? Inchoate would seem to indicate yes.

That is what this all boils down to.

Thank you for supporting my argument.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
23135 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 7:47 am to
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That is what my whole post ultimately boils down to.

When does the first step of an abortion occur? It could be argued that when travel plans are made and when medical appointments are made, the first steps of an abortion have occurred. And abortion is illegal in Alabama. So thus steps have been made to commit a crime if such planning occurred while in Alabama.

The three basic categories of inchoate are attempt, solicitation, and conspiracy. So, thank you for supporting the argument that an inchoate crime occurs when an abortion is planned and scheduled, thus being attempted. Also thank you for supporting my argument that when multiple parties work together to orchestrate an abortion, they are guilty of conspiracy to commit a crime. Which is exactly what the original quote says.

If you are standing inside the borders of Alabama and make an appointment for an abortion to be performed, and then also arrange all travel, are you in the process of receiving or providing an abortion? It could be argued very logically that yes, one is in the process of an abortion. And if all this happened while physically in the state of Alabama, and since abortion is illegal in Alabama, is one guilty of a crime? Inchoate would seem to indicate yes.

That is what this all boils down to.

Thank you for supporting my argument.


I agree with the above, but I think there are easy work arounds.

All these groups have to do is "plan" out of state counselor/advisor meetings about your pregnancy. The woman will leave the state not to get an abortion *wink wink*, but to relieve advice on said pregnancy. While in the state where abortion is legal, she can then choose to start the abortion process by making an appointment.
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