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Play with Morgan at 3rd/TF in 6th inning.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:31 am
First off i apologise for exploding and melting last night. JML told me to shut up at some point, so i did. I was pissed off severely at the umpire.
Yeah, i read the whole lesterearl post. This is what should have happened.
First off, morgan approaches 3rd base on a hit. 1st and 3rd, NO OUTS right. First thing that should immediately happen is the 3rd base coach gets a hold of Morgan and tells him that he isnt forced, to shorten his primary and take a small secondary, it is no outs and "runs thru the scenerios" that can happen. Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching. Being aggressive, is squeezing a run in or seeing something in your running game and steal 2nd base with 1st and 3rd or jump on first pitch strike at the plate. Any good coach will tell you the same! You hold at 3rd in that situation , the 3rd baseman would have checked Morgans decision to hold,and throw to 1st,if he goes to 2nd then Morgan advances. Period. No question. This is fundamental baseball. Yeah yeah nobody is perfect but this is Omaha in the winners bracket and a "simple" fundamental coaching mistake caused us a run/game in a low scoring big game. This is elementary baseball 101. Jay failed. Some say well if we hold there we dont score, well we had two more at bats with Morgan on 3rd. This was the go ahead run in the biggest game of the year and the coach just arbitrarily voided all rules in that situation and "gambled" with a no Brainer decision. Thats what we got.
We all know Floyds m.o... yes he pitched great. He was elite. We ALL also know that when Floyd has around 90 pitches,is 5th or 6th inning and starts walking, the "rails" ALWAYS FALL OFF for Floyd. After the first walk Jay should have pulled him. Like he said we had a ton of relief ready. If he pulls him at right time, we leave that inning still up 2-0. Terrible management imo. Say what you want but TF's usual m.o. is once you see anything dysfunctional, he implodes and is destructive. Jay should have pulled him but he didnt. Those 2 runs were solely on Jay.
Top 9th Jobert has a 2-0 count and he is potential tying run and what does he do, he swings at a pitch in the dirt. Why wasnt Jay putting BJ on take? Lack of control and following baseball 101. Thats all i got. You can troll or hate but i know im right.
Plate umpire you garbage
Yeah, i read the whole lesterearl post. This is what should have happened.
First off, morgan approaches 3rd base on a hit. 1st and 3rd, NO OUTS right. First thing that should immediately happen is the 3rd base coach gets a hold of Morgan and tells him that he isnt forced, to shorten his primary and take a small secondary, it is no outs and "runs thru the scenerios" that can happen. Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching. Being aggressive, is squeezing a run in or seeing something in your running game and steal 2nd base with 1st and 3rd or jump on first pitch strike at the plate. Any good coach will tell you the same! You hold at 3rd in that situation , the 3rd baseman would have checked Morgans decision to hold,and throw to 1st,if he goes to 2nd then Morgan advances. Period. No question. This is fundamental baseball. Yeah yeah nobody is perfect but this is Omaha in the winners bracket and a "simple" fundamental coaching mistake caused us a run/game in a low scoring big game. This is elementary baseball 101. Jay failed. Some say well if we hold there we dont score, well we had two more at bats with Morgan on 3rd. This was the go ahead run in the biggest game of the year and the coach just arbitrarily voided all rules in that situation and "gambled" with a no Brainer decision. Thats what we got.
We all know Floyds m.o... yes he pitched great. He was elite. We ALL also know that when Floyd has around 90 pitches,is 5th or 6th inning and starts walking, the "rails" ALWAYS FALL OFF for Floyd. After the first walk Jay should have pulled him. Like he said we had a ton of relief ready. If he pulls him at right time, we leave that inning still up 2-0. Terrible management imo. Say what you want but TF's usual m.o. is once you see anything dysfunctional, he implodes and is destructive. Jay should have pulled him but he didnt. Those 2 runs were solely on Jay.
Top 9th Jobert has a 2-0 count and he is potential tying run and what does he do, he swings at a pitch in the dirt. Why wasnt Jay putting BJ on take? Lack of control and following baseball 101. Thats all i got. You can troll or hate but i know im right.
Plate umpire you garbage
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:34 am to Contrary
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First off, morgan approaches 3rd base on a hit. 1st and 3rd, NO OUTS right. First thing that should immediately happen is the 3rd base coach gets a hold of Morgan and tells him that he isnt forced, to shorten his primary and take a small secondary, it is no outs and "runs thru the scenerios" that can happen. Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching. Being aggressive, is squeezing a run in or seeing something in your running game and steal 2nd base with 1st and 3rd or jump on first pitch strike at the plate. Any good coach will tell you the same! You hold at 3rd in that situation , the 3rd baseman would have checked Morgans decision to hold,and throw to 1st,if he goes to 2nd then Morgan advances. Period. No question. This is fundamental baseball. Yeah yeah nobody is perfect but this is Omaha in the winners bracket and a "simple" fundamental coaching mistake caused us a run/game in a low scoring big game. This is elementary baseball 101. Jay failed. Some say well if we hold there we dont score, well we had two more at bats with Morgan on 3rd. This was the go ahead run in the biggest game of the year and the coach just arbitrarily voided all rules in that situation and "gambled" with a no Brainer decision. Thats what we got.
clearly they made the decision to go home on any grounder.
Jay Johnson has forgotten more about baseball than you will ever know.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:34 am to Contrary
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Top 9th Jobert has a 2-0 count and he is potential tying run and what does he do, he swings at a pitch in the dirt. Why was Jay putting BJ on take?
he doubled and hit the longest ball of the game earlier and you want him to take on a fb count? he got thrown a great slider 2-0
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:35 am to Contrary
Tre is out no matter what he does unless he was on the bag or just a few feet off the bag on the hit. The ball took the fielder right to third base.
He could have gotten in a run down and allowed runners to get to 2nd and 3rd, but the fact is that he was almost safe at home...
He could have gotten in a run down and allowed runners to get to 2nd and 3rd, but the fact is that he was almost safe at home...
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:38 am to Contrary
Squeeze should have been on.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:40 am to Contrary
Very often in the game of baseball, the runner is told to go on ground ball contact. Sometimes there are stipulations like, go on the ground ball everywhere except to the pitcher. Those are often times automatic outs. I don’t have issues with the call to go. A lot of the issues I have with this Jay Johnson coached teams is the lack of coaching that appears to be put into base running/leads/secondary leads. So many nuance areas of the game can be improved to affect the outcome. Had Morgan had a better secondary lead off of the base and lack of hesitation to go home, he would have scored. These are things that get ingrained in practice.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:42 am to Contrary
I’m old school. He is standing on the bag. Station to station for him.
Beloso just hit the ball in the worst place possible.
Beloso just hit the ball in the worst place possible.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:49 am to Contrary
You wrote all that shite just to prove how stupid you are.
Odd no mention of Beloso being a dead pull hitter hitting it to third
Odd no mention of Beloso being a dead pull hitter hitting it to third
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:49 am to Contrary
Beloso is a straight pull hitter. The odds of him hitting a ground ball to the left side are low. The odds of him hitting a ground ball that takes the 3rd baseman RIGHT TO THRID BASE are even lower.
Morgan was trying to get as big of a lead/jump off third to allow him to score on a ground ball hit to the right side. If Beloso hits a line drive to the right side that is caught Morgan has time to get back to third. If Beloso hits a moderately deep fly to right, Morgan can tag and score. If he hits a ground ball anywhere to the right side other than maybe a rocket directly to 1st base, Morgan likely scores if he is moving on contact. Really, the ONLY place that strategy of trying to get a jump off third backfires if if there was a sharply hit grounder right at third base...which is exactly what happened, and which was completely out of character for Beloso.
Given the situation and the personnel involved it is hard to say LSU played the situation wrong. Unfortunately, the ball was just hit to the worst possible location.
Morgan was trying to get as big of a lead/jump off third to allow him to score on a ground ball hit to the right side. If Beloso hits a line drive to the right side that is caught Morgan has time to get back to third. If Beloso hits a moderately deep fly to right, Morgan can tag and score. If he hits a ground ball anywhere to the right side other than maybe a rocket directly to 1st base, Morgan likely scores if he is moving on contact. Really, the ONLY place that strategy of trying to get a jump off third backfires if if there was a sharply hit grounder right at third base...which is exactly what happened, and which was completely out of character for Beloso.
Given the situation and the personnel involved it is hard to say LSU played the situation wrong. Unfortunately, the ball was just hit to the worst possible location.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:55 am to Contrary
In spite of all this, Morgan would have scored with a better slide. How does a guy doing a head first slide end up with his knee in that position? Seems like knowing how to slide properly is a fundamental part of baseball.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:55 am to Contrary
The problem with your post is the hall was hit too hard and right behind him. 3b was taken to the bag. Morgan had nowhere to go.
The other issue is Beloso has rarely if ever hit a ball down the 3b line. He is played constantly as a pull hitter with a shift. If the ball goes anywhere else other than pitcher, Morgan is safe.
If Morgan does what you say, he is probably tagged out at 3rd with possible throw out double play of a slow Beloso.
In reality, it was an extremely fortunate location of hit for wake. The 1 thing other than striking out or pop out Beloso couldn’t do.
The other issue is Beloso has rarely if ever hit a ball down the 3b line. He is played constantly as a pull hitter with a shift. If the ball goes anywhere else other than pitcher, Morgan is safe.
If Morgan does what you say, he is probably tagged out at 3rd with possible throw out double play of a slow Beloso.
In reality, it was an extremely fortunate location of hit for wake. The 1 thing other than striking out or pop out Beloso couldn’t do.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:56 am to Contrary
I agree 100% with the Morgan analysis. I was screaming at him as soon as I saw him take off. There was no need especially on a sharply hit ball to third. Might as well have tried to steal home on the pitch if you're going to be THAT aggressive.
The Floyd decision is a matter of opinion. He pitched so well up to that point and a couple of those walks had questionable calls, although he got some generous calls earlier in the game. I would have yanked him after the second walk. But I think a big part of the problem was the pen wasn't ready yet.
I have no problem with Jobert swinging away in that situation, but he should have had a better eye than that. That was an awful pitch that should have made it 3-0. But it's not like we did anything else with the rest of the inning.
Just beat Tennessee!
The Floyd decision is a matter of opinion. He pitched so well up to that point and a couple of those walks had questionable calls, although he got some generous calls earlier in the game. I would have yanked him after the second walk. But I think a big part of the problem was the pen wasn't ready yet.
I have no problem with Jobert swinging away in that situation, but he should have had a better eye than that. That was an awful pitch that should have made it 3-0. But it's not like we did anything else with the rest of the inning.
Just beat Tennessee!
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:08 am to Contrary
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Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching.
We are at the highest level of Division 1 baseball. Do you honestly think the scenario's were not discussed? The ball was hit in the worst possible spot. Morgan goes back he may get tagged out. Im not justifying the play im just saying that it was a split second decision that took a great play by the catcher to complete.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:17 am to Contrary
Excellent assessment. Bottom line is he should never have been sent. Force the third baseman to make the throw to first. There's a reasonable chance he overthrows.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:19 am to Contrary
On that exact play to third, I send Morgan 10 out of 10 times. A slightly bettter slide or a non miracle blind scoop by the catcher we go ahead.
We dont take with BJ there at all, we have him on hunt. He is one of the bats we have that can tie it up or hit a double.
We lost, we lost, we lost. LSU, UF, and Wake are the clear top three in the country. Wake won.
Your takes are just not sound.
We dont take with BJ there at all, we have him on hunt. He is one of the bats we have that can tie it up or hit a double.
We lost, we lost, we lost. LSU, UF, and Wake are the clear top three in the country. Wake won.
Your takes are just not sound.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:24 am to Contrary
I was dissappointed in the slide attempt! I cant see going in there any other way but head first off the backside of the plate with my left hand out.
If you get tagged out going in that way at least you know you gave it your all.
If you get tagged out going in that way at least you know you gave it your all.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:50 am to Contrary
Two things....
The ball Cade hit was placed exactly where Wake needed it. Almost anywhere else on the field, Tre either scores or retreats safely back to the bag. Wake got exactly what they needed in that situation.
Secondly, that's baseball.
The ball Cade hit was placed exactly where Wake needed it. Almost anywhere else on the field, Tre either scores or retreats safely back to the bag. Wake got exactly what they needed in that situation.
Secondly, that's baseball.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:06 am to Contrary
It’s easy for us all to second guess every decision once it doesn’t work. Had it worked then we wouldn’t question anything done by the coaches.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:08 am to Contrary
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First off, morgan approaches 3rd base on a hit. 1st and 3rd, NO OUTS right. First thing that should immediately happen is the 3rd base coach gets a hold of Morgan and tells him that he isnt forced, to shorten his primary and take a small secondary, it is no outs and "runs thru the scenerios" that can happen. Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc.
That’s what a little league coach might tell his players. College players at that level don’t have time for all that shite in a game. You can instill that in practice doing situations, but you’ve got to trust your instincts in the game. There’s no time to think or hesitate, just react. Tell Morgan to shorten his primary and secondary and hug 3rd in a 2-2 game in the 8th with Wake’s pitcher dealing and a couple swings and misses coming up? He needed to be getting the biggest secondary he could without straying far enough that the catcher could pick him, read ball in dirt, and be ready to bust his arse down the line to take the lead back if the ball got far enough away from the catcher. That’s not what wound up happening, obviously, but still.
You can disagree with the call Jay put on for him to go on contact on the ground, but that was maybe only the 2nd time all year Cade hit a ground ball to 3rd, and probably the only time the 3rd baseman was there to field it. It was a low risk/high reward call. He just hit it in the wrong place and their 3rd baseman made a great play and the catcher made a great scoop. Tip your cap. But it wasn’t a bad call. I think Tre’s running and sliding left a lot to be desired, but that doesn’t make it the wrong call to put on there.
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Being aggressive, is squeezing a run in
With a runner on 1st and 3rd with no outs when a sacrifice fly will give you the lead and you’ve got a guy up with 14 home runs who can obviously get the ball in the air, but may not have laid a bunt down in his life, calling a squeeze is “aggressive?” If you mean aggressive as in dumb as all frick, you’d be right.
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This is elementary baseball
Well, you’re certainly right about this as we all learn those hard rules when we’re in elementary school and haven’t been in those situations enough to know that there are countless variables that could arise there. You and your little league coach play scared to mitigate risk, but you’re also mitigating reward. And the reward of Tre scoring there—in that situation—was much more likely than the risk of him getting thrown out like that. But shite happens, and he did.
I however, I listened to Jay’s presser and am not 100% convinced he put that on to prevent a 5-4-3 double play that would have left Tre on 3rd with 2 outs. He figured Cade would either lift it or ground into a 4-6-3 DP, allowing the run to score. And I’m not sure I’m buying Tre’s reason for looking over his shoulder to block ol boy’s throwing lane. To think of that so quick in that moment would be some off the charts HWA. However, he showed he wasn’t on top of his HWA with that disgusting “slide” he tried to pull off.
And anyway, who gives a frick? shite happens, and that happened. Gotta quit crying about it and go rape the Vols out of Nebraska.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:26 am to Contrary
Tre would have been out if he returned to the bag.
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