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Play with Morgan at 3rd/TF in 6th inning.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:31 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:31 am
First off i apologise for exploding and melting last night. JML told me to shut up at some point, so i did. I was pissed off severely at the umpire.
Yeah, i read the whole lesterearl post. This is what should have happened.
First off, morgan approaches 3rd base on a hit. 1st and 3rd, NO OUTS right. First thing that should immediately happen is the 3rd base coach gets a hold of Morgan and tells him that he isnt forced, to shorten his primary and take a small secondary, it is no outs and "runs thru the scenerios" that can happen. Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching. Being aggressive, is squeezing a run in or seeing something in your running game and steal 2nd base with 1st and 3rd or jump on first pitch strike at the plate. Any good coach will tell you the same! You hold at 3rd in that situation , the 3rd baseman would have checked Morgans decision to hold,and throw to 1st,if he goes to 2nd then Morgan advances. Period. No question. This is fundamental baseball. Yeah yeah nobody is perfect but this is Omaha in the winners bracket and a "simple" fundamental coaching mistake caused us a run/game in a low scoring big game. This is elementary baseball 101. Jay failed. Some say well if we hold there we dont score, well we had two more at bats with Morgan on 3rd. This was the go ahead run in the biggest game of the year and the coach just arbitrarily voided all rules in that situation and "gambled" with a no Brainer decision. Thats what we got.
We all know Floyds m.o... yes he pitched great. He was elite. We ALL also know that when Floyd has around 90 pitches,is 5th or 6th inning and starts walking, the "rails" ALWAYS FALL OFF for Floyd. After the first walk Jay should have pulled him. Like he said we had a ton of relief ready. If he pulls him at right time, we leave that inning still up 2-0. Terrible management imo. Say what you want but TF's usual m.o. is once you see anything dysfunctional, he implodes and is destructive. Jay should have pulled him but he didnt. Those 2 runs were solely on Jay.
Top 9th Jobert has a 2-0 count and he is potential tying run and what does he do, he swings at a pitch in the dirt. Why wasnt Jay putting BJ on take? Lack of control and following baseball 101. Thats all i got. You can troll or hate but i know im right.
Plate umpire you garbage
Yeah, i read the whole lesterearl post. This is what should have happened.
First off, morgan approaches 3rd base on a hit. 1st and 3rd, NO OUTS right. First thing that should immediately happen is the 3rd base coach gets a hold of Morgan and tells him that he isnt forced, to shorten his primary and take a small secondary, it is no outs and "runs thru the scenerios" that can happen. Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching. Being aggressive, is squeezing a run in or seeing something in your running game and steal 2nd base with 1st and 3rd or jump on first pitch strike at the plate. Any good coach will tell you the same! You hold at 3rd in that situation , the 3rd baseman would have checked Morgans decision to hold,and throw to 1st,if he goes to 2nd then Morgan advances. Period. No question. This is fundamental baseball. Yeah yeah nobody is perfect but this is Omaha in the winners bracket and a "simple" fundamental coaching mistake caused us a run/game in a low scoring big game. This is elementary baseball 101. Jay failed. Some say well if we hold there we dont score, well we had two more at bats with Morgan on 3rd. This was the go ahead run in the biggest game of the year and the coach just arbitrarily voided all rules in that situation and "gambled" with a no Brainer decision. Thats what we got.
We all know Floyds m.o... yes he pitched great. He was elite. We ALL also know that when Floyd has around 90 pitches,is 5th or 6th inning and starts walking, the "rails" ALWAYS FALL OFF for Floyd. After the first walk Jay should have pulled him. Like he said we had a ton of relief ready. If he pulls him at right time, we leave that inning still up 2-0. Terrible management imo. Say what you want but TF's usual m.o. is once you see anything dysfunctional, he implodes and is destructive. Jay should have pulled him but he didnt. Those 2 runs were solely on Jay.
Top 9th Jobert has a 2-0 count and he is potential tying run and what does he do, he swings at a pitch in the dirt. Why wasnt Jay putting BJ on take? Lack of control and following baseball 101. Thats all i got. You can troll or hate but i know im right.
Plate umpire you garbage
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:34 am to Contrary
quote:
First off, morgan approaches 3rd base on a hit. 1st and 3rd, NO OUTS right. First thing that should immediately happen is the 3rd base coach gets a hold of Morgan and tells him that he isnt forced, to shorten his primary and take a small secondary, it is no outs and "runs thru the scenerios" that can happen. Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching. Being aggressive, is squeezing a run in or seeing something in your running game and steal 2nd base with 1st and 3rd or jump on first pitch strike at the plate. Any good coach will tell you the same! You hold at 3rd in that situation , the 3rd baseman would have checked Morgans decision to hold,and throw to 1st,if he goes to 2nd then Morgan advances. Period. No question. This is fundamental baseball. Yeah yeah nobody is perfect but this is Omaha in the winners bracket and a "simple" fundamental coaching mistake caused us a run/game in a low scoring big game. This is elementary baseball 101. Jay failed. Some say well if we hold there we dont score, well we had two more at bats with Morgan on 3rd. This was the go ahead run in the biggest game of the year and the coach just arbitrarily voided all rules in that situation and "gambled" with a no Brainer decision. Thats what we got.
clearly they made the decision to go home on any grounder.
Jay Johnson has forgotten more about baseball than you will ever know.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:34 am to Contrary
quote:
Top 9th Jobert has a 2-0 count and he is potential tying run and what does he do, he swings at a pitch in the dirt. Why was Jay putting BJ on take?
he doubled and hit the longest ball of the game earlier and you want him to take on a fb count? he got thrown a great slider 2-0
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:35 am to Contrary
Tre is out no matter what he does unless he was on the bag or just a few feet off the bag on the hit. The ball took the fielder right to third base.
He could have gotten in a run down and allowed runners to get to 2nd and 3rd, but the fact is that he was almost safe at home...
He could have gotten in a run down and allowed runners to get to 2nd and 3rd, but the fact is that he was almost safe at home...
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:36 am to civiltiger07
quote:its still wrong and no he doesnt, his runner got banged at the plate because of his decision
clearly they made the decision to go home on any grounder.
Jay Johnson has forgotten more about baseball than you will ever know.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:38 am to Topwater Trout
It dont matter what he did before. It was the 9th down by a run. We need a baserunner. 2-0 count should of been on take not swing. This is how i know you dont know baseball
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:38 am to Contrary
Squeeze should have been on.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:39 am to WhoDatNC
quote:
Squeeze should have been on.
With Beloso?
Seriously, where do you people come from?
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 9:39 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:40 am to Chicken
quote:. that's why he should have been on a short primary and small secondary on pitch as per coach's instructions(what the 3rd base coach should have done immediately was get Morgan straight on what can or cant happen). You have to see ball thru infield first. This was a coaching(the 3rd base coach literally told him nothing)failure in Morgans' part. Ask any coach.
Chicken
Tre is out no matter what
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:40 am to Contrary
Very often in the game of baseball, the runner is told to go on ground ball contact. Sometimes there are stipulations like, go on the ground ball everywhere except to the pitcher. Those are often times automatic outs. I don’t have issues with the call to go. A lot of the issues I have with this Jay Johnson coached teams is the lack of coaching that appears to be put into base running/leads/secondary leads. So many nuance areas of the game can be improved to affect the outcome. Had Morgan had a better secondary lead off of the base and lack of hesitation to go home, he would have scored. These are things that get ingrained in practice.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:42 am to RB10
quote:i was speaking of several scenarios being aggressive not on that play.
quote:
Squeeze should have been on.
Being aggressive on morgans part just to be aggressive is not smart baseball. Thats coaching
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:42 am to Contrary
I’m old school. He is standing on the bag. Station to station for him.
Beloso just hit the ball in the worst place possible.
Beloso just hit the ball in the worst place possible.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:42 am to Contrary
quote:
that's why he should have been on a short primary and small secondary on pitch as per.coach's instructions. You have to see ball thru infield first. This was a coaching(the 3rd base coach literally told him nothing)failure in Morgans' part. Ask any coach.
He was told to go on groundball contact. That is not some unheard of baseball move. It happens all the time.
Just shut the frick up already.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:46 am to WhoDatNC
quote:
Squeeze should have been on
i cannot remember the last time we successfully laid down a bunt and you think the mf squeeze should have been on?
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:47 am to RB10
quote:yes maybe so and it was incorrect and goes against everything that is fundamental baseball.
He was told to go on groundball contact. That is not some unheard of baseball move. It happens all the time.
Just shut the frick up already.
You one of those big boy internet shiate talkers behind a mic.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:48 am to Contrary
quote:
You one of those big boy internet shiate talkers behind a mic.
You’ve been melting for 3 days, starting with shitting on Floyd and saying Hurd should get the start.
So, again……..
Shut
The
frick
Up
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:49 am to tigahland
quote:with success at that. Lsu has a ton of talent but we dont teach bunting and stealing. Sad
cannot remember the last time we successfully laid down a bunt and you think the mf squeeze should have been on
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:49 am to Contrary
You wrote all that shite just to prove how stupid you are.
Odd no mention of Beloso being a dead pull hitter hitting it to third
Odd no mention of Beloso being a dead pull hitter hitting it to third
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:49 am to Contrary
Beloso is a straight pull hitter. The odds of him hitting a ground ball to the left side are low. The odds of him hitting a ground ball that takes the 3rd baseman RIGHT TO THRID BASE are even lower.
Morgan was trying to get as big of a lead/jump off third to allow him to score on a ground ball hit to the right side. If Beloso hits a line drive to the right side that is caught Morgan has time to get back to third. If Beloso hits a moderately deep fly to right, Morgan can tag and score. If he hits a ground ball anywhere to the right side other than maybe a rocket directly to 1st base, Morgan likely scores if he is moving on contact. Really, the ONLY place that strategy of trying to get a jump off third backfires if if there was a sharply hit grounder right at third base...which is exactly what happened, and which was completely out of character for Beloso.
Given the situation and the personnel involved it is hard to say LSU played the situation wrong. Unfortunately, the ball was just hit to the worst possible location.
Morgan was trying to get as big of a lead/jump off third to allow him to score on a ground ball hit to the right side. If Beloso hits a line drive to the right side that is caught Morgan has time to get back to third. If Beloso hits a moderately deep fly to right, Morgan can tag and score. If he hits a ground ball anywhere to the right side other than maybe a rocket directly to 1st base, Morgan likely scores if he is moving on contact. Really, the ONLY place that strategy of trying to get a jump off third backfires if if there was a sharply hit grounder right at third base...which is exactly what happened, and which was completely out of character for Beloso.
Given the situation and the personnel involved it is hard to say LSU played the situation wrong. Unfortunately, the ball was just hit to the worst possible location.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:52 am to Alt26
quote:
Beloso is a straight pull hitter. The odds of him hitting a ground ball to the left side are low. The odds of him hitting a ground ball that takes the 3rd baseman RIGHT TO THRID BASE are even lower.
Morgan was trying to get as big of a lead/jump off third to allow him to score on a ground ball hit to the right side. If Beloso hits a line drive to the right side that is caught Morgan has time to get back to third. If Beloso hits a moderately deep fly to right, Morgan can tag and score. If he hits a ground ball anywhere to the right side other than maybe a rocket directly to 1st base, Morgan likely scores if he is moving on contact. Really, the ONLY place that strategy of trying to get a jump off third backfires if if there was a sharply hit grounder right at third base...which is exactly what happened, and which was completely out of character for Beloso.
Given the situation and the personnel involved it is hard to say LSU played the situation wrong. Unfortunately, the ball was just hit to the worst possible location.
quote:
Alt26
This guy understands situational baseball.
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