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Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:11 am to DesScorp
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This is now a logistics and attrition war.
Its WWI, redoux.
Soy bois support the war but wouldnt put themselves in the firing line. Pussies.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Soy bois support the war but wouldnt put themselves in the firing line. Pussies.
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 11:36 am to Bunk Moreland
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It's wild this whole thing probably could have been avoided on NATO neutrality.
True. That is what Russia was promised, along with no further advancement of NATO which didn't happen. That is a fact not heard on MSM. Ukraine allowed itself to be played by America and are now suffering the consequences. Biden doesn't give two shits about the people of Ukraine, if he did he would have led a peace agreement like a true leader would do. Instead he is allowing the destruction of a country and it's people to keep the money flow to the MIC of which he is surely benefitting from.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Ukrainian ground forces are being thrown into the meat grinder. They can’t sustain this war. The Russians will continue to bleed them out.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 1:17 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Ukrainian Counter Offensive
Posted on 6/20/23 at 1:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
For those interested, here is a reasonably detailed article on Rus Helicopter's new equipment and countermeasures vs Ukr Air defense systems and their current tactical use in countering the Ukr offense. There have been quite a few videos recently popping up of Rus helicopters hitting vehicles w/ATGMs.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 6/20/23 at 2:30 pm to Lima Whiskey
I wish Russia would just firebomb Kiev and kill the US puppet midget. The corruption is sickening.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 11:58 pm to Lima Whiskey
Ukraine has started ordering general mobilizations by region. All eligible men, 18 years or older are required to report.
Early on Kiev targeted the most pro Russian regions for conscription. It makes sense that they would do that again with these orders.
Early on Kiev targeted the most pro Russian regions for conscription. It makes sense that they would do that again with these orders.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 5:34 am to lake chuck fan
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That is what Russia was promised, along with no further advancement of NATO which didn't happen.
No such promise was made.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:28 am to crazy4lsu
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No such promise was made.
This is a great example of gaslighting. Although no treaties were signed promising it the end of NATO expansion was understood by everyone at the time. There's about 20 sourced sourced examples here: LINK /
It doesn't really matter. The whole world knows now that the US will renege on every agreement they make even if it is official official when convenient. That's your legacy.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 6:36 am to crazy4lsu
quote:You know better than that.
No such promise was made.
Legal validity of treaties, agreements, promises, post USSR dissolution are arguable.
Those arguments are sleazy as hell. They are not technically meritless, though.
But the choice to play in the sewer entails at least owning the smell. Claims that we made no promises in exchange for Gorbachev/Shevardnadze concessions to a reunified Germany in NATO stink to high heaven.
Of course we made promises.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:10 pm to 94LSU
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This is a great example of gaslighting.
Lol
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Although no treaties were signed promising it the end of NATO expansion was understood by everyone at the time.
Absolutely wrong. The only document that was signed between NATO and Russia explicitly stated that all states retained their own right to choose their own means of security. What do you think that subtext means?
As far as your link, there are a couple of problems. The Visegrad Group was formed in 1988, with the explicit aim of joining NATO and the EU. This was before the collapse of the USSR. Secondly, the US government was acting to expand NATO because the Russians could not mount any defense, which coincides with the position Wolfowitz took in his memo, which also coincides with the explicitly offensive realist vision also laid out in that same document. The internal cables of Bush I reveal that NATO expansion was on the offer, and without anything explicitly in writing, the statements from 1990 have little bearing on what occurred later in the decade. Again, there was no explicit, signed agreement on NATO expansion except for one that said sovereign states had the right to choose their own security and over and over, former Warsaw Pact nations chose to integrate with the EU and NATO rather than risk being in the Russian sphere of influence again.
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The whole world knows now that the US will renege on every agreement they make even if it is official official when convenient.
You say this with a straight face while not acknowledging that the Russians do the same thing when it suits them. Again, might makes right. That is an inherently conservative worldview. Russia's security situation is far worse than it was before 2022, and it is all through their own doing.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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Legal validity of treaties, agreements, promises, post USSR dissolution are arguable.
Except they are above the backroom promises and statements made in speeches, where the actions of the very same people who made those statements showed their true agenda. Do we have to pretend that somehow the words said in the early 1990's are sacrosanct? Or should we look at the actions of the Western Alliance before the USSR even fell? The actions tell the story of one thing and one thing alone.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:35 pm to crazy4lsu
Bumping to get some hot takes on the Wagner offensive against Russia.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 4:57 pm to Lakeboy7
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Bumping to get some hot takes on the Wagner offensive against Russia.
2nd time in a month Russians are taking up arms against Russians. The new season of Ukraine is pretty lit.
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