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The CDC Lied: The mRNA Wasn’t Meant to “Stay in the Arm”

Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:03 am
Posted by stout
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:03 am
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he CDC’s information page on Covid-19 vaccines contains the following bullet points on “How mRNA COVID-19 vaccines work:”

First, mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle or upper thigh, depending on the age of who is getting vaccinated.

After vaccination, the mRNA will enter the muscle cells. Once inside, they use the cells’ machinery to produce a harmless piece of what is called the spike protein…. After the protein piece is made, our cells break down the mRNA and remove it, leaving the body as waste.


Or, in other words, as we have long been told, “it” – the mRNA – “stays in the arm.” And then, after having instructed the muscle cells to produce the spike, is disposed of.

But look at the below picture from a recent presentation on mRNA vaccination at the European Parliament. The picture was posted on Twitter by Virginie Joron, a French member of the parliament. The speaker is no less an authority than Özlem Türeci, the Chief Medical Officer of BioNTech: the German biotech company that developed what has come to be known to most of the world as the “Pfizer” Covid-19 vaccine.



Have a closer look at Türeci’s slide, which tells a very different story than that which the CDC has been telling Americans for the last two years.



Far from “staying in the arm” and entering the muscle cells at the injection site, the injection site is only the point of departure for a journey that is supposed to take the mRNA rather to the lymph nodes. The subtitle of the slide is “Bringing mRNA to the right cells at the right places.” The deltoid is not the right place; the lymph nodes are.

Once in the lymph nodes, a specific sort of cell, the dendritic cells, is supposed to manufacture the spike protein: here colorfully described as the “wanted poster” that will help the immune system to identify the SARS-CoV-2 virus in case of subsequent exposure.

A passage from The Vaccine, the book that Türeci and her husband, BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin, wrote which journalist Joe Miller, explains why BioNTech’s platform specifically targets the lymph nodes:

What Ugur learnt was that the location to which a vaccine delivers its ‘wanted poster’ really mattered. The reason for this, the couple’s team in Mainz later realised, was that not all dendritic cells … were created equal. The ones that resided in lymph nodes – of which the spleen is the largest – were particularly adept at capturing mRNA and making sure the instructions it carried were acted upon. These kidney-bean shaped organs, found under our armpits, in our groins, and at several other outposts in the body, are the information hubs of the immune system. (p. 98)


Indeed, Sahin and Türeci were so determined to get their mRNA into the lymph nodes that they had an earlier mRNA construct injected directly into the patient’s lymph nodes in the groin (p. 104).

Needless to say, such an approach was not likely to obtain wide acceptance as a vaccine! This is why the couple, as explained in their book, needed to package the mRNA in lipid nanoparticles, in order to ensure that mRNA administered by way of an intramuscular injection would, nonetheless, be widely distributed around the body and thus reach the lymph nodes.

This is to say that the wide biodistribution of the mRNA that came to light after rollout was never a bug. It is a feature of BioNTech’s mRNA technology. Having elicited an immune response by way of injection into the groin, Sahin is even said to have wondered, “How substantial could the immune response be if a vaccine got into all lymphatic tissues around the body, and recruited all the resident DCs [dendritic cells] into action?” (p. 105)

So, why has the CDC been lying about this for the last two years and insisting that the mRNA “stays in the arm?” Well, the obvious answer is that the idea of the mRNA staying at the injection site is reassuring, since otherwise we could fear systemic adverse effects of precisely the sort that have emerged since rollout.



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Posted by Handsome Pete
Member since Apr 2019
1439 posts
Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:06 am to
Amazing how this vaccine fear has taking over so many lives.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
70888 posts
Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:19 am to
You realize they are going to be researching mRNA treatments to fight cancer and other diseases, don't you? How do we know that the slides are referring to the covid vaccine and not some other future use of mRNA technology where they need it to get to the lymph nodes or other impacted tissues?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36537 posts
Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:34 am to
Thirty years from now, you’ll have people in their late 90’s laying in their deathbeds proclaiming, “I was right. The Vax finally killed me.”
Posted by ruzil
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Member since Feb 2012
17346 posts
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:12 am to
quote:

After vaccination, the mRNA will enter the muscle cells. Once inside, they use the cells’ machinery to produce a harmless piece of what is called the spike protein…. After the protein piece is made, our cells break down the mRNA and remove it, leaving the body IN waste.



Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:18 am to
Pureblood check-in
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:21 am to
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The CDC Lied: The mRNA Wasn’t Meant to “Stay in the Arm” by stout

quote:
he CDC’s information page on Covid-19 vaccines contains the following bullet points on “How mRNA COVID-19 vaccines work:”

First, mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle or upper thigh, depending on the age of who is getting vaccinated.

After vaccination, the mRNA will enter the muscle cells. Once inside, they use the cells’ machinery to produce a harmless piece of what is called the spike protein…. After the protein piece is made, our cells break down the mRNA and remove it, leaving the body as waste.

Or, in other words, as we have long been told, “it” – the mRNA – “stays in the arm.” And then, after having instructed the muscle cells to produce the spike, is disposed of.

But look at the below picture from a recent presentation on mRNA vaccination at the European Parliament. The picture was posted on Twitter by Virginie Joron, a French member of the parliament. The speaker is no less an authority than Özlem Türeci, the Chief Medical Officer of BioNTech: the German biotech company that developed what has come to be known to most of the world as the “Pfizer” Covid-19 vaccine.

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Have a closer look at Türeci’s slide, which tells a very different story than that which the CDC has been telling Americans for the last two years.

?

Far from “staying in the arm” and entering the muscle cells at the injection site, the injection site is only the point of departure for a journey that is supposed to take the mRNA rather to the lymph nodes. The subtitle of the slide is “Bringing mRNA to the right cells at the right places.” The deltoid is not the right place; the lymph nodes are.

Once in the lymph nodes, a specific sort of cell, the dendritic cells, is supposed to manufacture the spike protein: here colorfully described as the “wanted poster” that will help the immune system to identify the SARS-CoV-2 virus in case of subsequent exposure.

A passage from The Vaccine, the book that Türeci and her husband, BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin, wrote which journalist Joe Miller, explains why BioNTech’s platform specifically targets the lymph nodes:

What Ugur learnt was that the location to which a vaccine delivers its ‘wanted poster’ really mattered. The reason for this, the couple’s team in Mainz later realised, was that not all dendritic cells … were created equal. The ones that resided in lymph nodes – of which the spleen is the largest – were particularly adept at capturing mRNA and making sure the instructions it carried were acted upon. These kidney-bean shaped organs, found under our armpits, in our groins, and at several other outposts in the body, are the information hubs of the immune system. (p. 98)


Indeed, Sahin and Türeci were so determined to get their mRNA into the lymph nodes that they had an earlier mRNA construct injected directly into the patient’s lymph nodes in the groin (p. 104).

Needless to say, such an approach was not likely to obtain wide acceptance as a vaccine! This is why the couple, as explained in their book, needed to package the mRNA in lipid nanoparticles, in order to ensure that mRNA administered by way of an intramuscular injection would, nonetheless, be widely distributed around the body and thus reach the lymph nodes.

This is to say that the wide biodistribution of the mRNA that came to light after rollout was never a bug. It is a feature of BioNTech’s mRNA technology. Having elicited an immune response by way of injection into the groin, Sahin is even said to have wondered, “How substantial could the immune response be if a vaccine got into all lymphatic tissues around the body, and recruited all the resident DCs [dendritic cells] into action?” (p. 105)

So, why has the CDC been lying about this for the last two years and insisting that the mRNA “stays in the arm?” Well, the obvious answer is that the idea of the mRNA staying at the injection site is reassuring, since otherwise we could fear systemic adverse effects of precisely the sort that have emerged since rollout.




Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:49 am to
everyone in that room is triple vaxed
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
124433 posts
Posted on 2/11/23 at 10:39 am to
If you check my post history on mRNA vaccines this was my main objection to mRNA vaccines from the get go. No one could guarantee that the mRNA would stay in the injection site area and only muscle cells would produce the spiked protein antigen.

It's going to suck when a vital organ cells (such as a cardiac cells) produce the spiked protein and an immune response occurs in and around that vital organ.

Thus myocarditis.
Thus pericarditis.
Posted by JCinBAMA
North of Huntsville
Member since Oct 2009
17663 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:44 am to
It likes to travel around...

Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12513 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:38 am to
This information has been out there for well over a year. Probably before the shot was available. But then, the shot was ready before the Virus was released. Why are people just learning about this when we all shared videos showing this exact thing?
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
1217 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:52 pm to
Excess deaths Jan.2020 to Dec 2022

Since the pandemic in 2020 the excess deaths had increased; initially deaths from COVID, but recently deaths attributed to COVID have dropped, yet excess deaths from non-COVID causes are still elevated in in most countries (except Romania at-4%).

Country name % of excess deaths (% of population vaccinated with 2 doses)

Australia 9% (82.7%)

Canada 3% (82.6%)

Denmark 30% (80.8%)

England 20% (79.5%)

Finland 9% (78.5%)

France 25% (78.4%)

Germany 43% (76.2%)

Hungary 11% (62.3%)

Ireland 20% (80.8%)

Netherlands 37% (68.1%)

Norway 28% (74.6%)

New Zealand 17% (79.8%)

Poland 21% (56.8%)

Portugal 6% (86.6%)

Romania –4% (43.1%)

Scotland 13% (78.4%)

South Korea 18% (85.8%)

Slovakia 2% (45.7%)

Sweden 9% (72.4%)

Switzerland 12% (68.8%)

Taiwan 25% (86.7%)

United States 12% (69.2%)

Basic Epidemiology:
quote:

Epidemiology is concerned with the frequency and pattern of health events in a population:

Frequency refers not only to the number of health events such as the number of cases of meningitis or diabetes in a population, but also to the relationship of that number to the size of the population. The resulting rate allows epidemiologists to compare disease occurrence across different populations.

Pattern refers to the occurrence of health-related events by time, place, and person. Time patterns may be annual, seasonal, weekly, daily, hourly, weekday versus weekend, or any other breakdown of time that may influence disease or injury occurrence. Place patterns include geographic variation, urban/rural differences, and location of work sites or schools. Personal characteristics include demographic factors which may be related to risk of illness, injury, or disability such as age, sex, marital status, and socioeconomic status, as well as behaviors and environmental exposures.


There's frequency, but is there a pattern of excess deaths?

Rearrange % excess deaths from most to least:

Germany 43% (76.2%)

Netherlands 37% (68.1%)

Denmark 30% (80.8%)

Norway 28% (74.6%)

Taiwan 25% (86.7%)

France 25% (78.4%)

Poland 21% (56.8%)

Ireland 20% (80.8%)

England 20% (79.5%)

S.Korea 18% (85.8%)

N.Zealand 17% (79.8%)

Scotland 13% (78.4%)

Switzerland 12% (68.8%)

United States 12% (69.2%)

Hungary 11% (62.3%)

Australia 9% (82.7%)

Sweden 9% (72.4%)

Finland 9% (78.5%)

Portugal 6% (86.6%)

Canada 3% (82.6%)

Slovakia 2% (45.7%)

Romania –4% (43.1%)
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
41872 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:10 pm to
They probably were lying, but we’ve known the mRNA was in the lymph nodes for over a year. I’ve posted about it on here months ago.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
5065 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 1:18 pm to
I got the single does one, hopefully, that's not as bad.
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