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PA Court rules property tax-based school funding system is unconstitutional
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:49 pm
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A Pennsylvania judge ruled Tuesday that the state's system of funding public schools falls woefully short and violates students’ constitutional rights, siding with poorer districts in a lawsuit launched eight years ago in pursuit of billions of dollars in additional annual aid.
Commonwealth Court Judge Renee Cohn Jubelirer found that the state hasn't fulfilled its constitutional obligations to students in the poorest public school districts, writing in a nearly 800-page ruling that the state is violating those students’ rights to what should be a “comprehensive, effective, and contemporary” education.
In the ruling, Cohn Jubelirer wrote that students in areas with low property values and incomes “are deprived of the same opportunities and resources" as those in more affluent areas.
That disparity is unjustified, violating both the state's obligations to educate students and the equal protection rights of students, Cohn Jubelirer wrote.
The school districts that sued presented extensive evidence showing wide achievement gaps between poorer and more affluent districts, the ruling said.
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Maybe, just maybe, the schools are shitty FOR THE SAME REASON the property values are shitty?
Does anyone really think NBR and Nola schools would improve if they got more money? The notion that these kids WANT to learn but can’t due to lack of resources is laughable
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
800-page ruling
Can’t imagine a scenario where this isn’t legislating from the bench.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Is there historical evidence where simply adding more money to public education in a poor district has been successful in equalizing outcomes between said poor district and neighboring affluent discredits?
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The last time I looked, in Orleans parish the spend per child in public school was something like 18k per year.
Just how much funding is needed to be successful? What is the minimum spend per child required?
Just how much funding is needed to be successful? What is the minimum spend per child required?
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So basically school choice instead of living in a good school district?
Alabama is pushing that
Private school or home school will be the way
Alabama is pushing that
Private school or home school will be the way
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:56 pm to martiansgohome
quote:
Is there historical evidence where simply adding more money to public education in a poor district has been successful in equalizing outcomes between said poor district and neighboring affluent discredits?
Well sure...you only have to look at Baltimore.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Maybe, just maybe, school choice would fix at least some of this.
Maybe, just maybe, the schools are shitty FOR THE SAME REASON the property values are shitty?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:10 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Does anyone really think NBR and Nola schools would improve if they got more money?
You can hand chicken shite to the highest paid chef in the world, it won't turn into chicken salad.
Ingredients matter.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:15 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Allow me to introduce him to the Birmingham City Schools system. They have all the money you could possibly hope for, but I'd take a small town school with very little resources and teachers who are doing it because they love it any day of the week.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:46 am to martiansgohome
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Is there historical evidence where simply adding more money to public education in a poor district has been successful in equalizing outcomes between said poor district and neighboring affluent discredits?
Because doing nothing is clearly working for them
Posted on 2/8/23 at 4:38 am to chalmetteowl
Not a new issue, Texas property taxes have been manipulated for at least the last 20 years that I have been paying.
And it's necessary. There are large tax base divergent issues that are not the result of poor county management.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:14 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
That disparity is unjustified, violating both the state's obligations to educate students and the equal protection rights of students,
Absolutely.
And while we’re addressing the topic of violating obligations to the student, being deprived of “the same opportunities and resources as those in more affluent areas” begins and ends where educational priorities are established and reinforced.
Figure out how to legislate the relationship between a mother and father with their offspring and the responsibility they have to one another as such. From there, the issue of equal protection can be honestly assessed as it pertains to state funded education.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:17 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Pennsylvania is a unique animal here. Most rural school districts and inner city districts are net taxpayers.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:02 am to boosiebadazz
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Can’t imagine a scenario where this isn’t legislating from the bench.
Yeah, judges frick up 3 page rulings all the time. I can’t even imagine how much trash is in an 800 page ruling.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:09 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
In all seriousness, the best fix for a lot schools would be sterilization. We live in a country where the people that should have the least kids have the most, and the parents that should have more are choosing to not have kids at all.
It's a very weird thing to me, but I work with a decent number of people that have opted to not have kids at all. They are high-earners and live a great life, but will leave no legacy. Meanwhile...
We've all seen this movie.
It's a very weird thing to me, but I work with a decent number of people that have opted to not have kids at all. They are high-earners and live a great life, but will leave no legacy. Meanwhile...
We've all seen this movie.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:13 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Commonwealth Court Judge Renee Cohn Jubelirer found that the state hasn't fulfilled its constitutional obligations to students in the poorest public school districts
Oy vey!
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:18 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
The ad valorem tax of your property is a direct tax on ownership by local government using intrastate commerce as a means to put your property on the tax rolls.
If one was to do a records request to identify the breakdown of your tax assessment (if you demand the returns you'll also find some tomfoolery) most property tax request I've completed look like this.
Schools 40 percent
Hospital 30
Maintain and operating of parish 30
What this judge is telling you is the intention to tax the wealthy or Middle class out of their homes until everyone else is equal.
Purposivism has been going on a long time
If one was to do a records request to identify the breakdown of your tax assessment (if you demand the returns you'll also find some tomfoolery) most property tax request I've completed look like this.
Schools 40 percent
Hospital 30
Maintain and operating of parish 30
What this judge is telling you is the intention to tax the wealthy or Middle class out of their homes until everyone else is equal.
Purposivism has been going on a long time
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:25 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
How many times was Derolph case ruled unconstitutional?
The Ohio Supreme Court issued four decisions in the case between 1997 and 2002, holding that the system that was the subject of the original lawsuit, and the versions of the system enacted by the General Assembly in response to the Court's orders in those decisions, were unconstitutional.
Ohio’s school funding formula, I.e. property taxes, still unconstitutional today. It’s been 25 years.
Let’s keep legislating from the bench.
The Ohio Supreme Court issued four decisions in the case between 1997 and 2002, holding that the system that was the subject of the original lawsuit, and the versions of the system enacted by the General Assembly in response to the Court's orders in those decisions, were unconstitutional.
Ohio’s school funding formula, I.e. property taxes, still unconstitutional today. It’s been 25 years.
Let’s keep legislating from the bench.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:typical, awful reporting. One must read 20 paragraphs into the article in order to see that this decision was based upon a specific efucation-related provision of the Pennsylvania STATE Constitution … something not even found in the US Constitution.
PA Court rules property tax-based school funding system is unconstitutional
quote:also, a typical reaction. Not one poster above bothered to take the time to read the article and obtain this important little tidbit.
The lawsuit argued Pennsylvania’s method of paying for public schools did not meet an explicit standard in the state constitution that lawmakers provide a “thorough and efficient system” of education.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 8:36 am
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
What, the poor districts are short on bucks to pay the local drag queen club to show up and dance for the kids? Poor kids. 
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