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re: Will Wade sounds off on potential return, transfer portal, current state of college basket
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:16 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:16 pm to monsterballads
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B. How many transfers did Jay johnson and BK take this year? BK has the #1 transfer class. Jay johnson added HUGE impact players like Tommy white
That’s the point, holy frick people on this website are so stupid. They have the #1 transfer classes and preach about culture more than anyone I’ve ever heard in their sports. Taking transfers and building a culture aren’t mutually exclusive like Will Wade is trying to pretend. The culture is the constant in successful programs whether you turn your entire roster over and have the #1 transfer class or take zero transfers. Can y’all really not put 2 and 2 together on what I’m saying there?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:16 pm to Madking
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Scotty doesn’t care
You are right and that’s a problem.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:18 pm to GumboPot
It’s bizarre the way LSU basketball is run. One of your only moneymakers and you run it like a HS program.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:22 pm to Forever
Wade is talking about culture in college basketball. Basketball =\= football or baseball. It’s a completely different landscape when it comes to assembling a team to compete.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:22 pm to IndianInBR
He’s right. He’s going to win big one day when he gets back in with a real program that actually supports basketball
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:22 pm to Forever
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hat’s the point, holy frick people on this website are so stupid. They have the #1 transfer classes and preach about culture more than anyone I’ve ever heard in their sports. Taking transfers and building a culture aren’t mutually exclusive like Will Wade is trying to pretend. The culture is the constant in successful programs whether you turn your entire roster over and have the #1 transfer class or take zero transfers. Can y’all really not put 2 and 2 together on what I’m saying there?
Successful programs were /are the biggest cheaters - Period. Nobody wanted to call out Valvano but that bastard cheated his arse off and got caught. K, Petino, Cal, it goes on and on.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:39 pm to Tiger1988
This all started way back with the shoe companies and apparel deals when the Big East was formed. The money has been flowing ever since. People who think Wade was fired or targeted because of ethics are children.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:52 pm to Madking
Woodward fired him the first chance he could under the amended contract. He didn’t like him, he didn’t like him criticizing lack of facilities, and at the end of the day, he wasn’t Woodward’s guy.
It’s pretty clear, Scott has very little interest in investing in men’s basketball. He wants a coach who doesn’t rock the boat. Well, he got him and the program will not be competitive in the near future.
It’s pretty clear, Scott has very little interest in investing in men’s basketball. He wants a coach who doesn’t rock the boat. Well, he got him and the program will not be competitive in the near future.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:05 pm to ellessuuuu
I listen to winners. Wade is a winner.
McMahon is a loser at LSU so far in games that matter. If he could successfully use the transfer portal and coach, we would not be getting blown out so frequently. Using the potential sanctions excuse is bs. If LSU did get sanctions, the players would get another chance to go elsewhere based on the situation. It is a free agency team building era.
Wade is smarter, a better adapter, more energetic, a better evaluator of talent, and better recruiter of talent.
McMahon is a loser at LSU so far in games that matter. If he could successfully use the transfer portal and coach, we would not be getting blown out so frequently. Using the potential sanctions excuse is bs. If LSU did get sanctions, the players would get another chance to go elsewhere based on the situation. It is a free agency team building era.
Wade is smarter, a better adapter, more energetic, a better evaluator of talent, and better recruiter of talent.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:18 pm to PNG Futbol
We’d self impose this year if sanctions were imminent. The excuses just don’t wash, none of them do.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:37 pm to Madking
Everybody including Woodward and NCAA is fully aware that what they “have” on Wade isn’t going to hold up before the IARP. All the allegations against him are premised on speculation and anonymous sourced info. The only substance they have is the ex girlfriend of a former player. That player was out of eligibility, so that is not a violation.
That is why the NCAA sent a letter to LSU - that it knew would make it to the press through a FOIA request (amazingly reporters knew exactly when to make the public record request - almost like someone at the NCAA told them to submit a request). Then when the letter didn’t get Wade fired, they made the NOA sound as bad as possible knowing Woodward could fire him on allegations alone.
LSU will not face major sanctions and Wade will not get a show cause because the IARP has to follow NCAA bylaws and under those bylaws, the NCAA has very little to nothing on Wade, and everybody in the process including Woodward knew it from day 1.
That is why the NCAA sent a letter to LSU - that it knew would make it to the press through a FOIA request (amazingly reporters knew exactly when to make the public record request - almost like someone at the NCAA told them to submit a request). Then when the letter didn’t get Wade fired, they made the NOA sound as bad as possible knowing Woodward could fire him on allegations alone.
LSU will not face major sanctions and Wade will not get a show cause because the IARP has to follow NCAA bylaws and under those bylaws, the NCAA has very little to nothing on Wade, and everybody in the process including Woodward knew it from day 1.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:06 pm to Madking
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This all started way back with the shoe companies and apparel deals when the Big East was formed. The money has been flowing ever since. People who think Wade was fired or targeted because of ethics are children.
Brown was no different and that is a cold hard fact. The fact is he bought Rudy via Mr “ I’m missing $2000” Ron Abernathy himself. Abernathy was Rudy’s HS coach. It was just a different way to get money to the players.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 3:00 am to PNG Futbol
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Wade is smarter, a better adapter, more energetic, a better evaluator of talent, and better recruiter of talent.
He’s also better at not being anywhere around here. So what’s the point in this?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:04 am to Superfluous Tiger
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Sounds like he has a pretty realistic and accurate understanding of how college basketball works these days: you don’t build a program you build a team. Basically, a new coach has one off-season to figure it out and put a team together. Gone are the days of planning to finally have a championship team 3-4 years down the road. It doesn’t work like that. The players will be gone long before then and the fans will already want you gone too.
This is what gets me as I read thread after thread about the same topic, stating: "You have to give the man at least three years to build his program".
Do these same people also believe that mail is still delivered on horseback? Basketball has always been a sport where you can build a team very quickly, due to the limited number of players who are needed compared to other sports. But in the old days, you couldn't just go out and get what you wanted without establishing some kind of model of success to attract better recruits who could get you over the top. The one and done age meant that every team who was any good was probably having to "rebuild" every year. Now, with the portal, one and done, and NIL, you can't make the excuse that you had too much roster turnover, when almost every team will have major turnover, every year; and you also have no excuse to not be able to construct a competitive roster at a place like LSU, pretty much immediately, if you are any good at recruiting and your team isn't absolutely terrible. But I don't know how well he's going to recruit if LSU struggles to even win another game this year.
So we'll see how that goes. But the whole "at least three years" thing is pretty unrealistic. If next year is like this one, I'd be stunned if he got a third year. If next year is a huge turnaround, then we won't be asking ourselves if he can build a winner by year three. He'd have already gotten it done. But then he'd need to get ready to prove he can sustain it... Because it's a year to year business now, more than it's ever been.
I firmly believe, despite the opinions expressed by many, that this roster was good enough on paper to win 8 or 9 league games this year. So I do not consider this season as just being a mulligan that we should write off. But I will say in McMahon's defense that it was a particularly short off-season, under the circumstances, and so while I don't think it's an excuse for being this bad, I think he should (and will, undoubtedly) get the opportunity to show what he can do with an entire off-season and recruiting cycle to see if he can get better players, and get the right players for his system. But that's it. If it's another terrible season, I don't think LSU waits around for year three.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 4:33 am
Posted on 1/30/23 at 5:58 am to Toptigerfan86
For MM and the LSU program, it's about NIL. You will have to buy the really good players because LSU isn't the elite school in MBB and doesn't have a legend for a coach like Mulkey to lure players to LSU, so the elite talent will go to Duke, Kansas and NC most years. Let's face it, what makes you think a Naz Reid, Cam Thomas or Devonte Smart wants to play for WW and LSU over the other programs I mentioned? He bought them, the same thing will have to happen now.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 6:19 am to jb21lsu
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frick wade and frick you too. Why are you always absent when things are going great? Oh yeah, because you are troll arse bitch.
A bit overboard don't you think?
Posted on 1/30/23 at 6:32 am to IM_4_LSU
Vanilla TJ thinks you win with four year players
Posted on 1/30/23 at 6:52 am to des4271
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For MM and the LSU program, it's about NIL. You will have to buy the really good players
That’s true now for just about EVERY Collegiate Program, regardless of that schools basketball pedigree.
You think the Top rated 5* Kids that sign with Duke, UCLA, UNC, Kansas or ANY OTHER Blue Blood Program does so bc they just LOVE that school & head coach so much?
CBB was corrupt even prior to the rise of AAU Teams & the influx of HUNDRED$ of MILLION$ from the Shoe companies. It always seemed to favor the Blue Bloods because those Programs & Boosters prioritized ($$) their Basketball programs more so than non-Football related spending (Baseball, T&F, Tennis, WBB, Softball etc.)
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