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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:39 pm to TacoNash
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:39 pm to TacoNash
Weak.
If only your description is what was really happening here. Any non-zealot who reads this thread knows that is a gross and mischaracterization of the bloodlust on here. Which is weird and pathetic.
You can have a victory over the PT board?
If only your description is what was really happening here. Any non-zealot who reads this thread knows that is a gross and mischaracterization of the bloodlust on here. Which is weird and pathetic.
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our domestic victories
You can have a victory over the PT board?
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:42 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Weak. If only your description is what was really happening here. Any non-zealot who reads this thread knows that is a gross and mischaracterization of the bloodlust on here. Which is weird and pathetic.
let’s just agree to disagree
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:56 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
1. I love dead Russians
2. I love watching Russia supporters melt over dead Russians
Guilty as charged
2. I love watching Russia supporters melt over dead Russians
Guilty as charged
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:58 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
quote:yes
You can have a victory over the PT board?
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:00 pm to ColtRange
Siberian village emptied by war
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We bury a lot of people here
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We were shelled the first time as soon as we arrived," he recalled. "And eight men were killed on the spot. I fell to the ground and, only half alive myself, I thought: This is where I will die."
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Aleksandr said eight men from his school class had died of drug-related causes since the war began, in addition to those who were killed in Ukraine. "One after another, they are leaving," he said.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:02 pm to Hateradedrink
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1. I love dead Russians 2. I love watching Russia supporters melt over dead Russians Guilty as charged
Exactly and thank you for your honesty.
Isnt it possible to oppose US involvement in a foreign war without “melting over dead Russians?”
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:03 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
You can oppose US involvement and maintain some level of intellectual honesty.
The poliboard doesn’t fit that bill. They openly support Russia.
The poliboard doesn’t fit that bill. They openly support Russia.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:11 pm to Hateradedrink
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They openly support Russia.
Serious question: is it impossible to see any merit Russia’s position and be intellectually honest?
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:22 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
quote:yes, its impossible
is it impossible to see any merit Russia’s position and be intellectually honest
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:32 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
It’s possible to be honest. it’s what colt range is doing. He admits he hates current day America and openly supports Russia.
Supporting Russia and somehow thinking you’re an American patriot is where the dishonesty comes into play.
Supporting Russia and somehow thinking you’re an American patriot is where the dishonesty comes into play.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:34 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Serious question: is it impossible to see any merit Russia’s position and be intellectually honest?
I can understand their point of view. They want land, so they are trying to take it over the way it’s been done for all human time.
Problem is, the world doesn’t work like that anymore. You don’t get to just invade your neighbor and take their land.
I mean, you can but it won’t win you many friends in the international world of today.
I would much rather the EU be paying more and us paying less, but for the price we are paying we are absolutely wrecking one of our historic enemies.
The country and people who ushered the scourge of communism upon the world. frick Russia. frick the USSR. frick the Bolsheviks and the soviets.
Oh, and this is kicking the EU into military spending overdrive compared to their historic spending, which is another great thing to hedge the other communist shite fricks over in Beijing.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:42 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Isnt it possible to oppose US involvement in a foreign war without “melting over dead Russians?”
Sure
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Serious question: is it impossible to see any merit Russia’s position and be intellectually honest?
Yes, it is impossible. There is no merit or logic in Russia’s position. Not being able to extend your borders through force to chase faded delusions of imperial grandeur does not make you threatened or justified. Especially when you have a history of invading the entire region. Like Russia.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:53 pm to beerJeep
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I can understand their point of view. They want land, so they are trying to take it over the way it’s been done for all human time.
Russia is making the same mistake Germany did in WWII, and that China is in the process of making. Empires are not built on land any more. They're built on trade, culture and ideas. The USA is the greatest empire the world has ever known, and physically owns less territory than it did at the end of the 19th century.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:53 pm to beerJeep
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I can understand their point of view. They want land, so they are trying to take it over the way it’s been done for all human time.
Russia is making the same mistake Germany did in WWII, and that China is in the process of making. Empires are not built on land any more. They're built on trade, culture and ideas. The USA is the greatest empire the world has ever known, and physically owns less territory than it did at the end of the 19th century.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:58 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Isnt it possible to oppose US involvement in a foreign war without “melting over dead Russians?”
People need to understand that we got involved in Ukraine way before this war started.
When we helped broker a deal to eliminate nukes in Ukraine, we became involved.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:03 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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is it impossible to see any merit Russia’s position and be intellectually honest?
There is about as much legitimacy to Russia’s position as to Iraq’s position when they invaded Kuwait. Iraq, or more accurately the decision of the autocratic government of Iraq headed by Saddam to invade Iraq.
Iraq, for reasons, invaded a resource rich, but much smaller and weaker country, overran it, set up a puppet government, and then annexed the conquered lands as a new province of Iraq. I’m not sure about intellectually honest, but most people frown upon engaging in that type of behavior.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda also had their reasons, most of which revolved around creating a regional sphere free from American hegemony. Perhaps there is some merit to what they wanted. But again most people fully disengage from it when you start blowing up cities and killing civilians for reasons.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:21 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Serious question: is it impossible to see any merit Russia’s position and be intellectually honest?
No it is not, but what merits do you see in Russia's position that are not merely a reflection of personal dissatisfaction with your political system or society?
If I truly thought Russia had altruistic motivations in this conflict I would not have a problem in supporting them. There has been far too much evidence to the contrary however, so their claims of altruism are just used window dressing to rationalise their imperialism, even if that imperialism may have some foundation in feeling threatened by other nations.
Russia is a country that has a severely damaged sense of self, the catalyst of which is part historical, part political, and part societal. While I feel empathy for the Russian populace on being in such a situation it doesn't excuse Russia's actions in trying to strong arm other countries through force.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:23 pm to OutsideObserver
Ukraine bros - take heart! Jim Acosta and Wesley Clark are thrilled about F-16s being made available within 6 months - just in time to keep stackin them Slavic Christian bodies high.
So take heart and go in Christ (and Raytheon!)
Keep tuning into CNN and reading the NY Times for more heartening information baws!
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:27 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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is it impossible to see any merit Russia’s position and be intellectually honest?
Of course, but by that metric, you'd have to acknowledge that Russia failed in its objectives of this war regardless of the direct result. If their aim was to keep NATO away from their doorstep, then this war has now invited NATO even closer. If their aim was to reabsorb regions that were once part of the European part of the USSR, they also failed.
Long-term, their security situation is terrible. They have to hope against hope that NATO falls apart, but the methods they were using to undermine the alliance are no longer going to be effective, because the invasion revealed those attempts for what they are.
I don't know the argument for how Russia actually gains anything of real value with respect to their security situation. It's worse by every metric, especially by the metrics they outlined originally.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 4:28 pm to SirWinston
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Ukraine bros - take heart! Jim Acosta and Wesley Clark are thrilled about F-16s being made available within 6 months - just in time to keep stackin them Slavic Christian bodies high.
Yeah, why would 'Christian' Russia do such a thing as to invade another Christian country and put so many Christian lives at risk? Makes one wonder.
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