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re: Why I’m good with Napier
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:28 am to dos crystal
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:28 am to dos crystal
I’m all in on Napier…great resume, proven as a head coach, young, great recruiting. Could be a stable for years to come. If he is a bust which I don’t believe he will, you reload in 2 years.
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:31 am to lukestar
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If he is a bust which I don’t believe he will, you reload in 2 years.
This is why I said he's a "budget" option, along with the reserves for coordinators. He's a $5-6M/year coach until proven otherwise.
That would put him right at the middle tier of SEC coaches, as high as 6 (right behind Kirby).
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm talking about his Xs and Os history. He really doesn't have any worth noting
Propaganda. We get it. You don’t like him and slandering his success. Doesn’t make you right. Just makes you look ignorant.
There’s no intelligent discussion if you can’t acknowledge the guy has achieved some good things.
The problem is, you probably just don’t know what an accomplishment is.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:38 am to RaginAstros
Anyone who has kept up with ULL over their entire program history knows that what he’s doing with what he has is a minor miracle.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:38 am to dos crystal
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Propaganda.
What history of elite offenses in his 2 years as OC has he established?
Remember, he was fired after one of those years.
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There’s no intelligent discussion if you can’t acknowledge the guy has achieved some good things.
This is what you call a strawman argument.
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The problem is, you probably just don’t know what an accomplishment is.
This is what you call an ad hom argument.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:41 am to The Godfather
Saw 9-4 4 years in a row, and didn't think the nola bowl wins were in that... calm tf down ha. From lafayettte, parents went to ULL, and watched rooted for all those seasons when they started rolling. Just pointing out a coach was building ULL into something very solid , just a few yrs before Napier. Doesn't mean Napier isn't a good option, good coach, good program builder. Just proves they aren't a dormat that he took over
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:42 am to dos crystal
dos crystal
Maybe you and other Napier supporters are correct. I favor Chris Petersen, however I believe he is a pipe dream. probably will not come out of retirement. I am second guessing Riley. Aranda or Napier are probably the best fits for LSU.
Maybe you and other Napier supporters are correct. I favor Chris Petersen, however I believe he is a pipe dream. probably will not come out of retirement. I am second guessing Riley. Aranda or Napier are probably the best fits for LSU.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm talking about his Xs and Os history. He really doesn't have any worth noting. One bad year at Clemson and then one pretty decent year at ASU. His offensive schematics as HC at ULL have been pretty mediocre.
That's inaccurate. He was OC at Clemson 2 years:
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Prior to his first stretch at Alabama, Napier spent seven of the previous eight years in two different stints at Clemson. During Napier’s final two seasons at Clemson he was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. At the age of 29, he became the youngest coordinator in the nation and in Clemson history. In his first season as Clemson’s coordinator, the 2009 Tigers scored a school-record 436 points and collected 54 touchdowns (third-most in school history), averaged 5.73 yards per play (fourth best) and finished as the ACC Atlantic Division champions. Quarterback Kyle Parker was named a Freshman All-American and nine players Napier coached from 2009-10 went on to have careers in the NFL.
The second season as OC they lost a lot of players and the offense struggled and he was fired. They looked like Clemson's O this year, but a far less talented team.
There is not enough to judge his as either a good or bad OC. Right now I'd say he's average at best. So ultimately the question is does he have what it takes to run a top P5 program and I don't have that answer.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:45 am to dos crystal
ULL fanboys need to stfu. Napier isnt a homerun hire by any means. If he wasn't the coach at ULL and some other FCS school, everyone would be hating on him.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:45 am to BayouCowboy
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That's inaccurate. He was OC at Clemson 2 years:
Sorry, 3 years total. He was still fired because of poor performance after those 2 years. Adding one more year to the job he was fired from doesn't really help his argument any, buy you're right I should have read his Wiki better.
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There is not enough to judge his as either a good or bad OC.
I wasn't really judging him at OC, more saying he's a glorified positional coach b/c of his lack of real history as a coordinator.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:46 am to tgdk11
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Saw 9-4 4 years in a row
He has 5 losses in three years. Quite the jump, wouldn’t you say?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:47 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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He has 5 losses in three years. Quite the jump, wouldn’t you say?
Irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is about how ULL is being promoted as a doormat program prior to Napier. It wasn't anything of the sort.
*ETA: ULL also started spending a LOT more money on football with Napier. He's the highest or 2nd highest (Freeze) paid non-BCS coach in the country.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:48 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Adding one more year to the job he was fired from doesn't really help his argument any
When you leave out the first year he set team historic offensive records it seems a little dishonest.
I'm not shilling for him. I just don't think fans on either side omitting facts to support the argument helps the discussion. His OC resume is thin no doubt, unless you include his HC/OC duties at ULL. But honestly the offensive output at least this season doesn't help his case. I haven't looked closely at his prior seasons at ULL so I can't speak to those.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 10:03 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is about how ULL is being promoted as a doormat program prior to Napier. It wasn't anything of the sort.
Napier has done a good job of keeping good local talent that would be spread out elsewhere while also cherry picking good players from Texas. He also does a great job evaluating the OLine and has quietly put out a great unit. Hudspeth was a damn good coach in his own right, and also had interest from other schools, but Napier is proving that he knows how to build a sustaining program that has gotten better every single year. I don’t personally think he gets the job, but if he did I think he’d do great here and would be a major improvement.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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*ETA: ULL also started spending a LOT more money on football with Napier. He's the highest or 2nd highest (Freeze) paid non-BCS coach in the country.
Why do you think that is?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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ETA: ULL also started spending a LOT more money on football with Napier. He's the highest or 2nd highest (Freeze) paid non-BCS coach in the country.
How does this equate to ease of wins in a two year period? Bought more weights? Extra analysts to watch film?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:58 am to Maximus
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How does this equate to ease of wins in a two year period? Bought more weights? Extra analysts to watch film?
Almost sounds like he came in and started building a top program.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 10:06 am to BayouCowboy
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Why do you think that is?
ULL boosters trying to spend millions to be known as UL
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 10:07 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 10:08 am to Maximus
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How does this equate to ease of wins in a two year period?
Bigger recruiting budget = better recruiting
Bigger coaching salary pool = ability to hire better assistants and allow Napier to be choosy about his next step
More money for infrastructure = more appealing program
Etc
Posted on 11/21/21 at 10:08 am to BayouCowboy
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a top program.
Top programs win their conference, especially when they spend more than anyone else they're competing against.
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