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re: “Name brand” gasoline
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:17 pm to stelly1025
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:17 pm to stelly1025
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The same gas that is put in the tanks a Shell are put into the tanks at Wal Mart.
Didn't read the thread did you?
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:21 pm to VetteGuy
Motor oil necessarily became more synthetic due less paraffinic crude oil available for a several decades. At the same time they did get better and better where the vast majority of engines don't need oil changes as often as recommended. There are different base oils, from refineries and chemical plants, for them to be formulated from, Groups I, II, III, IV, and V, with a new unofficial Group III+, Viscosity improver and additive packages, mostly metal compounds, then blended in.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:25 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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After getting the gasoline, they went over to the place where the "magic" and proprietary additives were injected. So I'd say no, it's the same stuff.
Those additives, especially detergent additives, is what separates good gasoline from the cheap crap that the poors and ignorants prefer.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 2:28 pm to Clames
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Those additives, especially detergent additives, is what separates good gasoline from the cheap crap that the poors and ignorants prefer.
"Detergents" include additives to make it burn consistently throughout ignition cycle, thus less carbon aka Soot.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 3:02 pm to CitizenK
Crude Oil is segregated by two things, lube approved and non lube approved. Lube feed is what's used to make the motor oils. An yes, much like gasoline, lube stock is made for all companies. Quaker State says, made from Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil. Which all are Pennsylvania Grade. As with mogas, the recipes for all are known. Yes, Exxon makes Castro, QS, Mobil One, an so many more. Same with gasoline, they use the term Exchange Grade. Large refineries may run a dozen or so different crudes. Mogas is a blend, certain products are added to improve octane.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/16/24 at 3:09 pm to sta4ever
quote:i still refuse to spend money at BP to this day. frick them
BP gas is the best
Posted on 5/16/24 at 3:19 pm to Dandy Lion
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Marathon is supposed to be the best.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:28 pm to LSUDad
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Crude Oil is segregated by two things, lube approved and non lube approved. Lube feed is what's used to make the motor oils
Not the case. Refinery feedstock for base oil (foundation for all lube oil) used to be from paraffinic crude oil, which we had plenty of in the USA. Quaker State and Pennzoil are both owned by Shell. They are using a lot of base oil from Shell's Pearl GTL plant in Qatar. This GTL plant produces 100% paraffinic sulfur free syncrude and its very waxy. It has to be hydrocracked into products. Naphthenic crude can be hydrotreated and isomerized into paraffinic base oil and why called synthetic. Being a paraffin doesn't actually mean a wax it's the type of carbon atom chains.
There is no more Pennsylvania paraffinic crude oil to refine any longer. There is condensate from tight shale formations but called crude oil only because congresscritters legally changed that definition in the 1970's as part of the legislation which approved TAPS, aka Alaskan Pipeline.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:32 pm to Bob Sacamano 89
Chevron with Techron's got what cars crave.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:41 pm to CitizenK
Also, Juniper GTL in Lake Charles went belly up because its financial backers were two oil companies, in indie oil producer and Calumet which produces base oil and paraffin wax. The 2014 oil price collapse severely hurt their cash flow. The GTL plant was designed to fractionate the syncrude into light naphtha, low cetane distillates and majority wax. The wax was hydrogenation into three grades worth big dollars used in industrial processes. They would drop in to grades sold by Sasol (from Sasolburg, SA) and Shell GTL (Malaysia) They have high melt points and aren't going to melt on a hot summer day for sure.
A larger GTL plant named Arcadia was to be built in Houston after this one came online to produce 10,000 BPD of base oil from GTL syncrude
A larger GTL plant named Arcadia was to be built in Houston after this one came online to produce 10,000 BPD of base oil from GTL syncrude
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:57 pm to offshoreangler
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Detergent additives are the same...you can drink the Kool Aid if it makes you feel better, but Techron MIGHT be marginally better than whatever XOM is putting in vs whatever Valero is putting in. I worked for Chevron for 5 years supporting a downstream/marketing truck rack and now work for the largest liquid storage terminaling company in the country...and handle all "brands" of additives.
You have 15 years as a guy who fills trucks. I have 2x that in powertrain engineering and I've actually seen the test data and held the tested parts in my hands with two engineering degrees to back it up. Believe whatever you want baw, but you don't have a clue on this.
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:53 pm to TigerHornII
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“Name brand” gasoline
My dad always told me to never use discount gas, so I never did. The 1 time I did I put in couple gallons to get me down the highway some to where I was going, as I couldn't find anything else. Next morning my fuel gauge wouldn't budge any. I go find an Exxon and filler up, and still wouldn't budge. Took it to a mechanic the next day when nothing changed and my fuel pump was now bad.
Frick the discount places, especially Racetrac. Not worth the 5c savings per gallon.
Now I will say I do wonder why Shell is so proud of their gas/additives, cause they are always 20c higher even when there are other name brands in the same intersection.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 2:37 am to offshoreangler
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I've got 15 years in the industry
do you think I should care about only putting ethanol free in my lil motorbike? I have been told that small engines dislike ethanol. no idea if that's true but I have been buying ethanol free for years anyway.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 7:18 am to sta4ever
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BP gas is the best
BASF in Geismar makes their fuel additives.
ETA: They don't make products, they make products better.
This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 7:20 am
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:08 pm to Bob Sacamano 89
I get gas wherever I can find ethanol free. I refuse to use corn and lose MPG's just because demoncraps have an agenda.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:12 pm to Dandy Lion
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Marathon is supposed to be the best.
Amoco
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:55 pm to TigerHornII
I'm no engineer, but I've run high performance automobiles all over the country w/ the exception of the Northeast.
I've never had an injector failure, throttlebodies are always clean, not even any sensor failures.
All we run is Chevron w/ Techron.
Some folks don't science well.
Of course, I've just jinxed myself.
I've never had an injector failure, throttlebodies are always clean, not even any sensor failures.
All we run is Chevron w/ Techron.
Some folks don't science well.
Of course, I've just jinxed myself.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 2:30 pm to TigerHornII
Sure buddy…15 years gasoline blending, seeing how the fricking sausage is made, but your Techron is going to make all the bullshite that a commodities trader puts in your gasoline better.
Tell me again about how the watery gas in pipelines goes to the knock off stations.
Tell me again about how the watery gas in pipelines goes to the knock off stations.
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