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Read "Losing the Signal", Rise & Fall of Blackberry. Good book.

Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:14 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:14 pm
Several Globe & Mail reporters wrote this book. They had access to many current and former employees, including the two former CEO's. Very good book and it gives insights as to what happened and how it drove off the road. Some observations.

1. Apple was not the BB killer but Android was. BB was able to survive several years after the introduction of the iphone as AT&T had an exclusive arrangement. However, BB ticked off so many carriers (more to follow) that when Google rolled out Android, many of them, especially Verizon, jumped at the opportunity and even footed the marketing bills.

2. Verizon. Verizon begged BB to come up with an Iphone killer. Begged. BB rolled out the Storm in less than five months. It was filled with bugs, didn't work well, and all Storms sold by Verizon had to be returned, over a million of them. Often the replacement was just as bad. Verizon wanted BB to eat the cost of the returns, all of $500 million. Verizon had also spent $100 million on a marketing campaign for Storm. BB refused. It made concessions, reimbursed V for $100 million, but Verizon was still burned and burned badly.

3. Verizon again. After the failure of the Storm, Verizon was upgrading its network to 4g to handle all the data. Lazardis and cohorts flew in to meet with Verizon along with other competitors. While the competitors showed off 4g Handset prototypes, lazardis told them NOT to go to 4G and that it would not work. BB specialized in data compression and did not have a phone, not even an experimental model, built to work on 4g. THIS was the episode that made Verizon dump BB. It forced Verizon to go in the direction of Motorola and Droid. BB never recovered.

4. The options and patent lawsuits wore out the two CEO's more than anyone realized. It consumed their time and left them little able to cope with the future.

5. Braisille developed BBM and saw it as a way to take BB forward. Remember, this is before Kik and Whatsapp. He wanted to take it cross platform and make it the standard for messaging apps. Lazardis wasn't crazy about it as a hardware guy. B said future was software and this would help BB convert. Carriers actually got on board with it and a project he called SMS 2.0. They were VERY interested. The successor CEO, Heins, who was a hardware guy under Lazardis and responsible for making the crappy handsets, killed it all when he became CEO. He finally went cross with BBM in October 2013. Whatsapp sold to FB for $20 billion. That could have been BBM.


5. Apple killed it but not with the iphone itself. The carriers would not let BB sell apps, and kept it from being truly innovative in some ways. Apple was the one who made the carriers change their rules. The carriers did not allow BB to have a good browser as it didn't want their bandwidth hogged. APple changed that paradigm. BB saw the carriers as customers. Apple saw consumers as the customer. Huge difference.

6. Conlee, the COO, left. around 2010 or so. He was the hatchet man, the enforcer. He held people accountable. Once he left, there was no accountability. His job was divided among three people. A culture of factions and no accountability resulted. Everything grew stagnant and a not my fault mentaility took over the company while its competitors were moving forward. Current CEO, Chen, said THIS was his biggest challenge, changing the culture. Conlee was the Ice Cold and Cirkus Child of Blackberry and the one who really made the company work when it was successful.

7. Playbook. It killed the company when it needed all of its resources the most. It had no email. They decided to base apps on Adobe Air when no developers were using that program to make apps. The "bridge" alienated the carriers as it deprived them of tethering fees. The deadline was totally unreasonable. The playbook was developed in a state of panic.



This is how you go for first to worst. Ignore your markets, tell the customers not to move forward, sell them crappy products while refusing to make it up to them, and stifle all innovation while avoiding any accountability.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 9:12 am
Posted by Azazello
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 3:07 pm to
It wasn't all that long ago when everyone in DC, and I mean everyone, had a blackberry - a lot of people even had 2.

I don't remember the exact moment but one day I was on the metro, looked around, and everyone had an iphone.



Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 3:38 pm to
The Storm was terrible. I felt sincerely bad for anyone that had one.

Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 4:17 pm to
It was based on Java. that was the first problem. They then waited another two years to BEGIN developing another OS.

I just can't get over telling Verizon NOT to use 4g and that it would not work. Your competitors are all there with 4g phones and you are telling them it won't work.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 4:26 pm to
What that company has done over the past 5-7 years is comical. It's like Apple and Google had people on the inside purposely ruining everything. The upper management were some of the dumbest and most stubborn people to ever run a company.

Thankfully, their new stuff has been solid. I'd switch back if the ui was as good and customizable as other phones. I actually prefer pressing the buttons
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 4:34 pm to
It was dominated by hardware guys. Lazardis saw 4g in terms of bandwidth, data compression, and other hardware metrics. He didn't see the software possibilities and what phones could do in that environment.

When the software guy did try to do something, he was shut down and they threw all of his work out the window when he left.

Reminds me of when IBM was dominated by hardware guys and practically gave away the windows license to Bill Gates.
Posted by Drank
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 5:57 pm to
The Storm LITERALLY almost cost me my life.
After being hit by a DD on a small road I tried to call 911 only to see that the Storm had rebooted and was in an endless spinning hourglass as I was bleeding and passing out....Luckily a passerby had an old trusty flip phone.

I WILL say the Blackberry Tour was one of my favorite phones of all time. I'm miss having a physical keyboard..a LOT. I loved that thing. But the Storm was an abortion with a color display.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 5:59 pm
Posted by The Connoisseur
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 7:30 pm to
Interesting. Thanks for the write up. Don't they have 6 Billion or so in cash? Really enjoying the classic, definitely have had some hiccups though, group messaging is still hit or miss for me. How often do they do big releases? Are they going to keep upgrading the Classic like the Iphone 1 etc or make a new phone altogether? I hope they just keep upgrading it and hope they don't ever lose the keyboard for it.

ETA: would like to see more apps but I know that's a big issue for BlackBerry right now. I don't need every app by any means but huge ones like Uber you would think they have it. I have the shortcut web page though so at least it works.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:45 pm to
$3.2 billion and no debt.

Just released the 10.3.2. It will probably be awhile before another one. This one is pretty good.

Snap works really well. Except for snapchat, you can get the mainstream apps.

Fandango and WSJ have very good mobile sites. You can bookmark to home screen looks like an app.


Chen needs to improve the internals of classic on next build. Needs to enlarge the screen some more as well.


The book will blow your mind. Classic case of company outgrowing the founders.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 8:48 pm to
Classic is the perfect size
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 11:20 pm to
If you can get everyone to use BBM, the group messages on BBM are very good. Can also transfer PDF and word docs on it as well. I know, Imessage doesn't translate well to other phones.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 11:36 pm to
quote:

The Storm was terrible. I felt sincerely bad for anyone that had one.



I remember the commercial and thinking "huh,that might be a happy medium."

I then used a friend's and was so frustrated with that click screen I gave up after 2 minutes.

When I got my job, the first company phone was a Storm 2 I think. I think I had it a few weeks before I asked for a replacement. I would have done it within 24 hours but I didn't want to rock any boats so soon.

This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 11:38 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 11:52 pm to
I loved my Bold 9700. Best phone I ever had. The first torch had an underpowered chip, kept getting the hourglass. But I loved the keyboard and as long as Pandora worked, I was happy but times changed. The next Torch model was much better and fit my needs. However, things and expectations change. I've got an Ipad mini so I don't feel like I miss out on all that much and except for snapchat, I can get pretty much what I want on what I have now.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 7:50 am to
Chicken, the book shows Lazardis thought the Storm was a technological success. He really did. He was floored by the complaints.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:25 am to
quote:

While the competitors showed off 4g Handset prototypes, lazardis told them NOT to go to 4G and that it would not work. BB specialized in data compression and did not have a phone, not even an experimental model, built to work on 4g


This and the way Steve Jobs negotiated the iPhone contract with ATT is what really killed BB. The combination of Apple coolness (on the consumer side) and the Apple contract (with the carriers) is what killed BB. Jobs just had more foresight into what the consumer wanted and how to squeeze the carriers for what Apple wanted.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:02 pm to
I'll disagree and say Google was the real BlackBerry killer. They were still competing until the androids rolled out.


Just can't get over them trying to reverse the trend and go to slower more limited networks.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:38 pm to
Super interesting recap. I'm interested in this book.

I would buy a BB today if I felt the company had a chance at succeeding and would have apps come out. loved their foresight back in 2004 or so. But they just screwed the pooch.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:16 am to
Before BlackBerry it was Nokia. Nobody thought it was possible for them to ever lose their position as number one phone manufacturer. They were euro cool and the handsets put out by US companies at the time were not even in the same ballpark.

Alas poor symbian. This was the last Nokia I owned. It looks gay now but I walked around proudly with it.

This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 10:18 am
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:43 am to
Nokia put out some damn good phones.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Nokia put out some damn good phones.



they made a better comeback with Windows phones than BB will ever make sadly.
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