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How far can you run a cat6 drop?
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:40 am
My boss wants to add internet to his shop at the back of our property. It is estimated to be around 600' and could easily be more.
I'm being told fiber is not that expensive and would be the best option. He has a friend that does all his electrical work for him and also runs data drops for us at times as well. He's telling him 600' will be fine for cat5 or cat6.
Anyone have any experience? If he lets this guy run the cat5 or cat6 and it doesn't work well, do we have any options besides starting over?
I'm being told fiber is not that expensive and would be the best option. He has a friend that does all his electrical work for him and also runs data drops for us at times as well. He's telling him 600' will be fine for cat5 or cat6.
Anyone have any experience? If he lets this guy run the cat5 or cat6 and it doesn't work well, do we have any options besides starting over?
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:45 am to Big Pun
While you may be able to get away with a 600' run of CAT6, you're going to have some attenuation issues and the speed will not be that great. I would insist on fiber for anything over 300'
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:47 am to Casty McBoozer
Fiber or a repeater in the middle.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:50 am to h0bnail
300 is the standard.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:53 am to ColdDuck
I thought it was around 300' as well, but he's going to go with the cheaper option if I had to bet. He doesn't use computers at all so he doesn't understand. He definitely knows how to bitch when it doesn't work properly and will be livid saying it should work.
Any idea of the cost difference?
Any idea of the cost difference?
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:47 am to Big Pun
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he's going to go with the cheaper option if I had to bet. He doesn't use computers at all so he doesn't understand. He definitely knows how to bitch when it doesn't work properly and will be livid saying it should work.
Then tell that guy who's trying to pitch a 600' CAT5 run that he doesn't know what the frick he's talking about and to shut his fricking stupid face.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 12:08 pm to Big Pun
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When used for 10/100/1000BASE-T, the maximum allowed length of a Cat 6 cable is 100 meters or 328 feet.
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When used for 10GBASE-T, Cat 6 cable's maximum length is 55 meters (180 ft) in a favorable alien crosstalk environment, but only 37 meters (121 ft) in a hostile alien crosstalk environment, such as when many cables are bundled together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable
or send him that link and ask him why HE thinks it's OK to run it 600+' when the industry defines 328' as maximum.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 12:09 pm to Big Pun
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My boss wants to add internet to his shop at the back of our property. It is estimated to be around 600' and could easily be more.
This is what you need.
And the guy suggesting a Cat6 run is a moron and you should never do business with him again.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/7/14 at 1:03 pm to Casty McBoozer
We have HDBaseT transmitters and receivers that extend 150 meters over shielded Cat6 for up to 1920x1080p and includes RS-232 and power.
Not sure about the distance limitation for Ethernet, though.
Not sure about the distance limitation for Ethernet, though.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 1:05 pm to ColdDuck
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300 is the standard.
No it isn't. The standard for an uncompromised run which can be certified is 328 feet.
It may work at greater distances but bandwidth may be compromised and the run cannot be certified.
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He has a friend that does all his electrical work for him and also runs data drops for us at times as well. He's telling him 600' will be fine for cat5 or cat6.
His friend is an idiot and should stick to electrical work because he doesn't know shite about running CAT6.
He can use a media converter at each end with fiber in between to convert to copper to fiber at one end and back to copper at the other to complete the run. This isn't cheap as media converters are expensive devices.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/7/14 at 1:09 pm to HubbaBubba
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We have HDBaseT transmitters and receivers that extend 150 meters over shielded Cat6 for up to 1920x1080p and includes RS-232 and power.
That's video. Only way to extend data is through a media converter.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 1:12 pm to VABuckeye
HDBaseT supports 100mbps Ethernet.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 1:13 pm to VABuckeye
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This isn't cheap as media converters are expensive devices.
You can get fiber to copper media converters these days for $50-$60
Posted on 6/7/14 at 3:38 pm to Casty McBoozer
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or send him that link and ask him why HE thinks it's OK to run it 600+' when the industry defines 328' as maximum.
I can already tell you the answer:
"I've done it before and it was fine."
Posted on 6/7/14 at 11:08 pm to VABuckeye
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His friend is an idiot and should stick to electrical work because he doesn't know shite about running CAT6.
He can use a media converter at each end with fiber in between to convert to copper to fiber at one end and back to copper at the other to complete the run. This isn't cheap as media converters are expensive devices.
We use a ton of fiber modules and they aren't expensive. Maybe $50/each?
Trendnet.
We use them primarily at the bottom of towers. Power over ethernet runs up the tower, at the bottom we jump to a fiber transceiver, fiber cable into another fiber transceiver, then back to copper into the switch. That way if lightning pops one of the radios, it just hits one of the $50 transceivers and doesn't take out the switch and all tower communication.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/8/14 at 12:22 am to Volvagia
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Posted by Volvagia quote: or send him that link and ask him why HE thinks it's OK to run it 600+' when the industry defines 328' as maximum. I can already tell you the answer: "I've done it before and it was fine."
I agree which is what made me start this thread. I'll try to get his assistant to talk him out of it, my best chance. That or he can learn the hard way.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 9:10 am to Casty McBoozer
Remember on towers though everything is running on DC voltage.
In reference to the OPs situation. If the electrician is hell bent on running Cat5/Cat6. Make him run it in conduit. If the end result sucks, you can get a single/dual mode run of fiber of considerable length for a hundred bucks or so and do the swap after the fact. Weuse them in the tower industry to provide fiber/AAV to sites to replace copper T1s.
In reference to the OPs situation. If the electrician is hell bent on running Cat5/Cat6. Make him run it in conduit. If the end result sucks, you can get a single/dual mode run of fiber of considerable length for a hundred bucks or so and do the swap after the fact. Weuse them in the tower industry to provide fiber/AAV to sites to replace copper T1s.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 9:31 am to warr09
If this electrician thinks it's ok to use a 600 ft long Cat 6 Ethernet cable, I'd hate to see what he does to a fiber in conduit. I bet he puts a tugger on it and breaks the fiber.
OP...be sure he ties his string to the Kevlar around the fiber and not around the actual fiber sheathing.
OP...be sure he ties his string to the Kevlar around the fiber and not around the actual fiber sheathing.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 9:33 am to Big Pun
Your best option is to run fiber and convert it with a transceiver at the end.
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This post was edited on 6/8/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/8/14 at 6:53 pm to RealityTiger
Some reason after reading your post I had the image of an electrician dunking the connector on a fiber jumper in a tub of conduit lube.
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