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Google with a potentially serious privacy concern with their Dot competitor...

Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:40 pm
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/12/17 at 10:40 pm
Well...Google seems to have stepped in it with their answer to the Alexa Dot competitor. Designed to compete with Amazon’s voice automated virtual assistant speaker that has proven wildly popular, it was just announced last week...and won’t ship until a week from today. But they’ve already disabled one feature that may create issues for those with privacy concerns when it comes to these devices...

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Google is permanently disabling a feature on its new Home Mini smart speaker, which was announced last week and starts shipping next Thursday, after a reviewer discovered the device was quietly recording his conversations without his knowledge or consent.


Yikes.

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Google blames this on a faulty button...


Hmmmmm. Not a good start for GOOG here...

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...it doesn't connect to other speakers, the Google Home Mini...


Wait...holdup. Huh? What a bargain! For the same low low price of a more versatile, established platform that leverages the world’s dominant, clear cut leader in Cloud Computing, you can get a less versatile device that has already had key aspects of its funtctionality disabled due to a glaring privacy concern unearthed by a media member reviewing it?

SIGN ME UP, SERGEY AND LARRY!!!!!!

Google, throw someone the shovel, Bro...
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 10:42 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61421 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 5:47 am to
People act like they’re all the same, but business models matter. Google and Facebook’s core business makes it beneficial for them to know as much about you as possible. I’m not saying Apple and Amazon won’t ever mishandle or misuse the data they have on us, but their core business is to get us deeper into their ecosystem so their products sell themselves to us without needing to get in our heads.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18277 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:35 am to
They issued a bios update that completely disabled the button, so it won't happen again. However:

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...it doesn't connect to other speakers, the Google Home Mini...


This is actually the nail in the coffin for me. Not worth it if I can't connect it to my Bluetooth speakers

ETA: it has now been shown later in this thread that yours article is full of shite, so please ignore the last part, I am back on the "will buy" train
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 12:04 pm
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:54 am to
Im getting one for free with my pixel 2xl purchase but i've been wondering where im even going to put it. I think i've settled on daughters room because she has an iphone so she can speak to the google home mini to control the HA in her room.

Google already has an echo dot competitor, it's called every phone that has google assistant on it.


But certainly agree this is a bad look. Can't believe they didn't find this glitch before it went to market.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 8:56 am
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:56 am to
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...it doesn't connect to other speakers, the Google Home Mini...


This is actually the nail in the coffin for me. Not worth it if I can't connect it to my Bluetooth speakers



Is this confirmed? That almost seems wrong.

eta: the specs on the google store website say it has wifi capability (obviously) as well as bluetooth.

Why wouldn't you be able to connect a speaker to it?
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:04 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:10 am to


what a clickbait article

this was a a hardware issue with the unit.

if they really wanted to "spy" if could just record without any lights or any show any logs in your assistant activity page

not to mention, we all carry phones in our pockets with microphones that record everything we do already
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:11 am to
I would imagine they will just fix the hardware issue and recall the already shipped units, which cant be many.


At least that's what i would do.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:12 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:14 am to
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Why wouldn't you be able to connect a speaker to it?


you can through chromecast or bluetooth

there is not a 3.5 mm headphone jack so cant connect to traditional speakers that way, youd need to get chromecast audio
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 9:17 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:16 am to
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I would imagine they will just fix the hardware issue and recall the already shipped units, which cant be many.


At least that's what i would do.



googles response, it kinda sucks theyre removing the touch functions. could be used for an alarm



LINK
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:23 am to
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there is not a 3.5 mm headphone jack so cant connect to traditional speakers that way, youd need to get chromecast audio



right that's how my google home works. 3.5mm headjack is pretty pointless. I'm sure it would work for some but most people probably do not want to place their google home or google home mini within cord distance of the speaker their casting to.

So basically the article was incorrect.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:24 am to
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googles response, it kinda sucks theyre removing the touch functions. could be used for an alarm



Agree it sucks but i never, never touch my google home. It's a nice feature to have and you would expect something brand new to work properly, but in the grand scheme of things its a rarely used feature.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:29 am to
sweet. thats good to know

ive never bought one of these systems because i just used the voice commands from my cell phone

but ya, like you, im getting a free one with the Pixel
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57426 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:40 am to
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Is this confirmed? That almost seems wrong.

eta: the specs on the google store website say it has wifi capability (obviously) as well as bluetooth.

Why wouldn't you be able to connect a speaker to it?
seems like someone messed up saying something in an interview and the article writer is screaming wolf. I truly do not believe google would miss this essential feature.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61421 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:41 am to
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most people probably do not want to place their google home or google home mini within cord distance of the speaker their casting to.



Wired speakers way outnumber wireless speakers in people's homes. I think there are a lot of people who would see a dot/mini as a cheap path to make their old dumb speakers smart speakers. Now that old CD player stereo system can be given new life as a streaming music player. Considering Google is trying to play catch up in this space, they really shouldn't be doing things that limit their appeal.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57426 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:43 am to
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most people probably do not want to place their google home or google home mini within cord distance of the speaker their casting to.


Wired speakers way outnumber wireless speakers in people's homes. I think there are a lot of people who would see a dot/mini as a cheap path to make their old dumb speakers smart speakers. Now that old CD player stereo system can be given new life as a streaming music player. Considering Google is trying to play catch up in this space, they really shouldn't be doing things that limit their appeal.
well the chormecast did this years ago.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:43 am to
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Now that old CD player stereo system can be given new life as a streaming music player. Considering Google is trying to play catch up in this space, they really shouldn't be doing things that limit their appeal.


it still can. with chromecast audio

once again, they removed the headphone jack because thats the "trendy" thing to do
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:43 am to
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well the chormecast did this years ago.
burn
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:52 am to
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Wired speakers way outnumber wireless speakers in people's homes. I think there are a lot of people who would see a dot/mini as a cheap path to make their old dumb speakers smart speakers. Now that old CD player stereo system can be given new life as a streaming music player. Considering Google is trying to play catch up in this space, they really shouldn't be doing things that limit their appeal.


I don't want to sound rude but what you are describing is what the chromecast audio has been doing for awhile now.

I have wired speakers and i connect my google home to them because i already owned a chromecast audio.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13149 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:56 am to
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People act like they’re all the same, but business models matter. Google and Facebook’s core business makes it beneficial for them to know as much about you as possible. I’m not saying Apple and Amazon won’t ever mishandle or misuse the data they have on us, but their core business is to get us deeper into their ecosystem so their products sell themselves to us without needing to get in our heads.


Good point. Google and Facebook are basically data miners using your personal information for their own business purposes. They also have a political agenda that I don't care for. I avoid both as much as possible but Google in particular is so ubiquitous that it's darn near impossible stay beyond their grasp.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:57 am to
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Good point. Google and Facebook are basically data miners using your personal information for their own business purposes


They also data mine for your purposes though.
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