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Desktop pc under $300 - pc stick, tower or something in between? - UPDATE in OP

Posted on 2/7/16 at 11:07 pm
Posted by The Last Coco
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Posted on 2/7/16 at 11:07 pm
So Mrs. TLC needs a desktop computer at the house for work reasons. Will need to access some VPN clients and run some basic microsoft office and medical programs but nothing resource intensive. Also the monitor is actually a TV so hdmi output is required.

I like the idea of a Zotac Zbox Pico or a PC Stick but am not sure the 2gb ram and 32gb of storage that all these very small devices have will be enough.

The other end of the spectrum is a traditional power tower and there are dozens of options out there with 4gb+ and 64gb to 1tb of ram. Somewhere in the middle are the small footprint desktops like those found in the Dell inspiron line.

Any tech board experience with the small pc stick type devices with the 2gb ram running office, etc...? If those aren't recommended, can you point me towards a device that'll fit the bill? Thanks.

ETA:
quote:

I ended up ordering the Lenovo Think Centre M93p I posted earlier. Just hope it's legit. I'll update when it comes in.

They ended up cancelling the order and I've been looking for a comparable deal ever since.

What are y'alls thoughts on this set-up?
Gigabyte Brix GB-BXA8-5557 AMD Mini PC 8GB RAM/PNY XLR8 PRO 120GB(SSD)/W10 Pro
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 11:42 am
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 1:16 am to
If you're going to do any type of productivity on a regular basis, you really don't want to bother with those compute sticks or nano/pico/whatever cubes. They are what I'd consider a novelty at this point. Not powerful enough to be daily drivers (outside of using it as a streaming media center), but limited practicality to replace laptops.

For anything other than very occasional or niche use, consider the starting point to be the small footprint desktops like the Dells you noted. You still don't get much for $300, but you'll at least get more from a product that wasn't designed with the primary goal of making it tiny.

Unfortunately, that's where the market is shifting for low-budget PCs. Laptop processors in a cube, cloud storage, etc. Because of that, this would be a scenario in which you'd get a lot more for your money by custom building it (and perhaps torrenting Windows). But I won't go into that unless you have even the slightest interest in it.

For now, my recommendation is to raise your budget by $80-100 and grab something from Best Buy that has at least an Intel Core i3/AMD A8, and 4GB of RAM (and they'll pretty much all come with a basic 500GB or 1TB hard drive).
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:50 am to
If you have some of the components, build her one. It's not that challenging and you could get what you're after for $300, or not much more. The biggest benefit is probably lower cost for future upgrades. She'll want upgrades if this is her main work computer.

If you have no interest in building one, check out sites like Newegg, TigerDirect, Amazon, etc. and find one with an i5 and 4gb RAM.
Posted by The Last Coco
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:36 am to
quote:

If you're going to do any type of productivity on a regular basis, you really don't want to bother with those compute sticks or nano/pico/whatever cubes. They are what I'd consider a novelty at this point. Not powerful enough to be daily drivers (outside of using it as a streaming media center), but limited practicality to replace laptops.

Ok, this is kind of what I was afraid of with those. Good to know.

quote:

For anything other than very occasional or niche use, consider the starting point to be the small footprint desktops like the Dells you noted. You still don't get much for $300, but you'll at least get more from a product that wasn't designed with the primary goal of making it tiny.

quote:

For now, my recommendation is to raise your budget by $80-100 and grab something from Best Buy that has at least an Intel Core i3/AMD A8, and 4GB of RAM (and they'll pretty much all come with a basic 500GB or 1TB hard drive).


Good deal. How do these look:
DELL Desktop PC Inspiron i3646-2600BLK Pentium J2900 (2.41GHz) 4GB DDR3 500GB HD - $245. I could do the Windows 10 upgrade and be in business.

or

Dell Inspiron 3252 Desktop PC with Intel Pentium N3700 Processor, 4GB Memory, 500GB Hard Drive and Windows 10 - $260 - Is this a better processor or about the same?

quote:


Unfortunately, that's where the market is shifting for low-budget PCs. Laptop processors in a cube, cloud storage, etc. Because of that, this would be a scenario in which you'd get a lot more for your money by custom building it (and perhaps torrenting Windows). But I won't go into that unless you have even the slightest interest in it.

I've done builds before but really just want to order something at this time. I know I'll get a more powerful machine for less if I go that route, but I don't want to spend the time on researching and ordering the right components.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:58 am to
Look for an i3 or a8 or better.

LINK


LINK #

Second one has a better processor
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 8:37 am
Posted by The Last Coco
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:37 am to
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:59 am to
I trust ilike 100% on stuff like this. If he says i3 or a8 or better, that's what I'd do.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:14 am to
quote:

So A6 is no bueno?


If I was going to use AMD, I'd stick with an A10. I'd still recommend an i5 and 4GB RAM.

*edit*
My wife is a PT. The PC I built for her is probably overkill, but I won't hear any complaints from her.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 10:18 am
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:14 am to
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If I was going to use AMD, I'd stick with an A10. I'd still recommend an i5 and 4GB RAM.


My laptop is a 5 year old A6 and it runs just fine for what he is describing. Granted it also has 8GB RAM and a SSD to help it along, so its not like it hasnt been upgraded at all. Point remains, there are more important components than CPU in a general use computer.

ETA: Those ultra small cubes can be great but you will have to up the budget to get something really useful. Remember there is a premium attached to miniaturizing the computer.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 11:17 am
Posted by philabuck
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:24 am to
Newegg typically has offlease HP business machines for around a $100 with an i3/8gbs Ram. Practically brand new in most cases. Throw in a cheap ssd and you have a decent machine.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:25 am to
quote:

My laptop is a 5 year old A6 and it runs just fine for what he is describing. Granted it also has 8GB RAM and a SSD to help it along, so its not like it hasnt been upgraded at all. Point remains, there are more important components than CPU in a general use computer.


Cool.

I don't know exactly what he means by "medical programs", but my point remains as well. I doubt it's "general use" or will remain that way. If his wife is in a medical field, she'll likely need it sooner rather than later.
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:40 am to
He also clearly stated none of the programs were resource intensive and he would like to remain in a $300 budget. Sometimes you have to tailor your reqs to the client's needs. That being said, an off lease unit from a reputable retailer would be a good way to go - much more bang for your buck. HP and Dell both make slim line models that can be found off lease at a significant discount. $300 is a very tight budget for anything new other than super entry level crap.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 11:49 am to
quote:

He also clearly stated none of the programs were resource intensive and he would like to remain in a $300 budget.


He also said she'll need VPN and will be using "medical programs". My own personal experience says this goes beyond "general use". You can stay well within a $300 budget without settling for an A6. A8 should be the minimum.

*edit*
I should add that I'm still not certain on what the medical programs she'll be using are, so it's entirely possible an A6 may be sufficient. If they're anywhere near what my wife uses, she'll be frustrated early and often using an A6 equipped machine.

quote:

Sometimes you have to tailor your reqs to the client's needs.


Sometimes you also have to understand what those are, even if they don't. For his purposes, an A8 would be minimum for my recommendation. I'd push it to an A10 for the minimal cost because his wife will likely need it. I've done a lot of work for local hospitals and doctors, and I'm fine with them underestimating their needs and ignoring my recommendations because it keeps me employed. There's no reason to do that here.

This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 12:11 pm to
I guess I just need to find a specific machine.
Posted by The Last Coco
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

He also said she'll need VPN and will be using "medical programs".

She is doing research during her residency as well as inputting orders from home during home call situations, so she needs to be able to reliably remote-in to the hospital network and access their patient care software via the VPN.

Some of the work is done via remote desktop and accessing servers or programs that way. Other times she runs an app that uses her credentials to access the network and patient files.

She really has no patience for computers that run slow and would prefer a mac but most of the software she uses isn't compatible with it so that's a no go. I would rather increase my budget to $350-400 if it'll get me into a machine that'll do what she needs for the next 5ish years than settle now and buy again in 2 or 3 years.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71044 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 12:30 pm to
My wife's use is very similar. I built hers with an i5 and 8GB of RAM. I may have been able to get away with less, but like you, I wanted it to be useful for longer than a couple years and I also have a wife that can't stand slow computers.

If you don't want to build one, I'd say find something with an i5 and at least 4GB of RAM. There are quite a few options under $400 that will meet that.

*edit*
Also, follow ILikeLSUToo's recommendations.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

She really has no patience for computers that run slow and would prefer a mac


Most of that magic is ssd
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 2/8/16 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

She really has no patience for computers that run slow and would prefer a mac but most of the software she uses isn't compatible with it so that's a no go. I would rather increase my budget to $350-400 if it'll get me into a machine that'll do what she needs for the next 5ish years than settle now and buy again in 2 or 3 years.

If your expectations are that high for an extremely low-budget machine, then you better not neglect to add an SSD.

Buy this PC: LINK

Or the i5 version: LINK

Then buy this SSD: LINK

And this SATA cable probably: LINK

And then use the included Acronis migration software to clone the existing hard drive to the SSD, or read my instructions: LINK (regardless, I'd recommend reading Part C of my instructions after cloning, and Part A ahead of time if you're curious about the physical installation).

Alternatively, buy one of those PCs now and wait a while on the SSD if money's tight. Sometimes it takes a few months to a year of frustration with a traditional hard drive to truly appreciate the night and day difference anyway.

If someone finds something better spec'd than either of those two ASUS desktops for the same price or cheaper, go with that. But it'll be tough to beat an i3/8GB machine for that price.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 1:11 pm to
quote:


She really has no patience for computers that run slow and would prefer a mac but most of the software she uses isn't compatible with it so that's a no go. I would rather increase my budget to $350-400 if it'll get me into a machine that'll do what she needs for the next 5ish years than settle now and buy again in 2 or 3 years.


Sounds like she has a taste for filet and a budget for beans and weenies. Think of low end machines not as something you buy, but something you rent - at a rate of between $75 to $150 per year. Anything over that is gravy. For what you have described about her a SSD is a must. Take Ilike's i3 machine and do the SSD upgrade.
Posted by The Last Coco
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

Sounds like she has a taste for filet and a budget for beans and weenies.

She is just used to me finding absurd deals on stuff so she expects it now. Usually I can find this stuff on my own, but I haven't bought a desktop in 11 years so I'm out of my league here.

quote:

For what you have described about her a SSD is a must. Take Ilike's i3 machine and do the SSD upgrade.

While not what I was hoping to hear, it sounds like this is my current path unless I stumble upon something.
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