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CAD let's talk Security Cameras
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:13 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:13 am
Time to move past Ring 
What would you do on your house for a decent budget right now?
What would you do on your house for a decent budget right now?
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:53 am to Dam Guide
Ring isn't really a security camera IMO. Cool for what it is but unless you are using it in conjunction with a CCTV system it's nothing more than a video doorbell. Wireless wifi cameras are in the same boat. Great to check in on the kids or dog but not a real security camera.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:17 am to TigerWise
Thanks for useless info
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:29 am to Dam Guide
I just ruled out an entire category of useless shite.
If it were my house I'd put in some cheap Chinese TVI cameras. Something like Hikvision. Simple, efficient, and it works. All you need is power.
If it were my house I'd put in some cheap Chinese TVI cameras. Something like Hikvision. Simple, efficient, and it works. All you need is power.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 8:33 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:54 am to TigerWise
I already have ring, you missed out on previous conversations between me and CAD.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:07 am to Dam Guide
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Dam Guide
How many cameras are you looking to get?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:09 am to Dam Guide
I'm not sure about outdoor foscam but id it were me I'd want these hardware features
- ir/night vision
- hd (duh)
- ability to rotate the camera remotely.
- PoE
- no monthly cloud bullshite charges
PoE is critical because outdoors is probably getting a worse wifi signal than indoors and you don't want a wifi hiccup at the wrong time and all you have to do is poke one cable through the soffit and never worry whether there's an outlet nearby.
Nobody should plan their security camera placement based on availability of nearby electrical outlets and unless you're handy an electrician will charge you $150 a pop to create them.
Eta didn't talk about software but I think Blue iris is still the best and due everything you want for like $30 including DVR, etc. I know the foscams allow you to set movement zones, etc to trigger a notification or email you a series of images or 5 minute recording, etc.
- ir/night vision
- hd (duh)
- ability to rotate the camera remotely.
- PoE
- no monthly cloud bullshite charges
PoE is critical because outdoors is probably getting a worse wifi signal than indoors and you don't want a wifi hiccup at the wrong time and all you have to do is poke one cable through the soffit and never worry whether there's an outlet nearby.
Nobody should plan their security camera placement based on availability of nearby electrical outlets and unless you're handy an electrician will charge you $150 a pop to create them.
Eta didn't talk about software but I think Blue iris is still the best and due everything you want for like $30 including DVR, etc. I know the foscams allow you to set movement zones, etc to trigger a notification or email you a series of images or 5 minute recording, etc.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:19 am to Dam Guide
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I already have ring, you missed out on previous conversations between me and CAD.
Yes, I read that in your OP. The Ring will still be great for a video doorbell. I'd still use it for that purpose and just add a CCTV to it for security.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:32 am to TigerWise
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If it were my house I'd put in some cheap Chinese TVI cameras.
Oh you mean like the ones that were recently hacked in mass and used for a massive DDOS attack?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:41 am to CAD703X
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I'm not sure about outdoor foscam but id it were me I'd want these hardware features - ir/night vision - hd (duh) - ability to rotate the camera remotely. - PoE - no monthly cloud bullshite charges PoE is critical because outdoors is probably getting a worse wifi signal than indoors and you don't want a wifi hiccup at the wrong time and all you have to do is poke one cable through the soffit and never worry whether there's an outlet nearby.
Any cameras out there that fit this?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:42 am to Ziggy
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How many cameras are you looking to get?
3-4
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:42 am to TigerWise
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Yes, I read that in your OP. The Ring will still be great for a video doorbell. I'd still use it for that purpose and just add a CCTV to it for security.
That's the plan, was wondering about specific models.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:44 am to Dam Guide
quote:
Any cameras out there that fit this?
I haven't looked recently but I imagine a basic foscam with outdoor support would work. I'll check when I get into work.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:48 am to CAD703X
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don't want a wifi hiccup at the wrong time
Why wifi sucks for security period
quote:
Nobody should plan their security camera placement based on availability of nearby electrical outlets and unless you're
handy an electrician will charge you $150 a pop to create them.
That's not the case. People have been installing CCTV over RG59-18/2 siamese cable for decades. On a non IP system like a TVI you just run siamese cable to all your camera drops. Power it on the headend, just like you would with a Poe switch, with a power supply. Less headache IMO than dealing with switches. Power and signal, real simple and does not need network. Not that POE cameras are bad this is just the way it's been done for years. You can get further runs too without having to add another switch.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:51 am to SG_Geaux
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Oh you mean like the ones that were recently hacked in mass and used for a massive DDOS attack?
Yes, change your password. In addition a CCTV doesn't need to be hooked to the Internet to work. You can hook up a system and never put it online.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:06 am to TigerWise
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Less headache IMO than dealing with switches
Not saying you're wrong but what is so difficult about a switch? You plug it in then plug in Ethernet cables as you add devices. Where the hassle?
Switches are a install and forget type of thing for me.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:10 am to Dam Guide
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Dam Guide
Shoot me an e-mail: ziggy.td@gmail.com
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:19 am to CAD703X
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Switches are a install and forget type of thing for me.
Just like everything else they break. Lose power, go offline and then they come back up and sometimes need to be set up again. Heck I know one of the bigger companies in my area who puts UPS on all switches just b/c of that. Not saying it always happens but I've seen additional headaches with them. Enough to just go the traditional route for anything less than 2MP. Just a preference thing but my point is you can run power over siamese cable and don't need to have electrical outlets at camera locations if you don't go POE.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:30 am to Dam Guide
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wondering about specific models.
here you go:
$62 amazon warehouse
- Foscam FI9853EP Outdoor Dome
- 720P
- Power Over Ethernet P2P IP Camera (White)
- Improved low light & night vision performance
- Wider lens of 4mm, giving a 70° viewing angle
- Updated web interface with all features and options included in MJPEG cameras like the FI8905W/FI8904W
- Free bounded DDNS service via MyFoscam.org
$180 for 3 camerass.
$39 PoE switch Monoprice (20% off sitewide today)
- Nince 10/100Mbps Auto-Negotiation RJ45 ports
- Four ports support the PoE function
- Supports up to 30 watts power for each PoE port, up to 60 watts in total
- Supports PoE IEEE 802.3at/af compliant Powered Devices (PD)
- IEEE 802.3x flow control for Full Duplex mode and backpressure for Half Duplex mode
- 1.8Gbps switching fabric capacity/backplane bandwidth
- Supports 2K MAC address table, MAC address auto-learning, and auto-aging
- Green Ethernet technology for effective power savings
- LED indicators for simple diagnostics and management
- Plug and play, no configuration required
- Steel case with external power supply
aaaaand you're done.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:12 am to CAD703X
Newegg has the 3MP & 4MP Hikvision domes for $80/$100. Seriously debating those, Hikvision seems to be loved on the boards. No warranty since it's not an authorized seller though.
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