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Youth Clubs FIle Class Action Lawsuit vs MLS Players Union
Posted on 7/2/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/2/16 at 11:18 am
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Hopefully they win
When people say MLS sometimes gets in the way of youth development in the US. This is a perfect example.
If these youth clubs actually could receive payment from transfers. Two things would happen. No more pay for play and better facilities and coaches. We can't just depend on 24 or so MLS academies.
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On Friday, three American youth soccer clubs filed a class action lawsuit in a federal court in Texas against the MLS Players Union, three current and former MLS players—DeAndre Yedlin, Michael Bradley, and Clint Dempsey—and the defendant class, in an attempt to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars in training and solidarity fees. A win or even a settlement between the parties could force a dramatic restructuring of the U.S. youth soccer system
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The teams—the Dallas Texans; Crossfire Premiere of Redmond, Washington; and Sockers FC of Chicago—are seeking a declaratory judgment from the court that allows them and any other U.S. youth team to collect fees for the international transfer of U.S. players, and for the court to declare that it is legal for these youth teams to arrange a domestic compensation fee system with the U.S. Soccer Federation, MLS, and any other American professional soccer league.
Hopefully they win
When people say MLS sometimes gets in the way of youth development in the US. This is a perfect example.
If these youth clubs actually could receive payment from transfers. Two things would happen. No more pay for play and better facilities and coaches. We can't just depend on 24 or so MLS academies.
This post was edited on 7/2/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/2/16 at 2:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I need info...do youth teams in other countries get a piece of transfer fees?
Posted on 7/2/16 at 2:39 pm to LuckyTiger
Yes, they do. But it's usually through an academy. Fulham got paid 750k pounds by Fulham even though Bournemouth got Hyndman on a free transfer. He was at Fulham from the age of 15 or so.
Why are they suing Dempsey, Bradley, and Yedlin? Seems like a poor PR move to sue the most successful graduates of those respective academies, and a good way to lose some donation money from those guys.
Why are they suing Dempsey, Bradley, and Yedlin? Seems like a poor PR move to sue the most successful graduates of those respective academies, and a good way to lose some donation money from those guys.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 2:42 pm to cwil177
quote:I don't think they are suing those players. They are just saying those are the players they deserve compensation for training.
Why are they suing Dempsey, Bradley, and Yedlin?
Posted on 7/2/16 at 2:45 pm to pvilleguru
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On Friday, three American youth soccer clubs filed a class action lawsuit in a federal court in Texas against the MLS Players Union, three current and former MLS players—DeAndre Yedlin, Michael Bradley, and Clint Dempsey
This sounds like they are suing the players.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 2:47 pm to cwil177
I could be wrong, but that was just the idea I got the first time I read it.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 4:02 pm to cwil177
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Yes, they do. But it's usually through an academy. Fulham got paid 750k pounds by Fulham even though Bournemouth got Hyndman on a free transfer. He was at Fulham from the age of 15 or so.
You are kind of right
Most countries have full of academies that are not part of a football club. Their sole focus is producing youth talent and these fees is how they survive.
This post was edited on 7/2/16 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 7/2/16 at 5:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Sounds good, I'm for it. More money for the academies is a good thing and these players and clubs can afford it.
I think they have to name the players because they received part of the money from the transfers. You have to name the parties that got paid to try to reach the monies you are claiming that are owed. Unfortunate but necessary for the suit to work.
I think they have to name the players because they received part of the money from the transfers. You have to name the parties that got paid to try to reach the monies you are claiming that are owed. Unfortunate but necessary for the suit to work.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:21 am to StraightCashHomey21
Head of the players union Bob Foose spouting gloom and doom:
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"The effect of those payments is to take money and opportunity away from our players. If you were to implement this system, it would make it even harder for those players to get jobs overseas because it would add a tax on [their transfer]. And when you add a tax, it primarily -- if not totally -- comes out of the players' pockets. "In the case of lower-profile players, it makes it not worth it to sign an American player at all because for guys that aren't on the high end, you're talking about fees that are 300-400 percent of what the players would get paid or their transfer fee. "It's terrible for players no matter how you do it."
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:23 am to LuckyTiger
I'm not buying it. It helps the academy. Better academies equals better players equals better deals in Europe.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:29 am to cwil177
He goes further, bringing heat:
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"These clubs have shown their true colors," he said. "What's going on is a fundamental attempt to build the youth sports industry, not to serve the youth or help develop our players. This is about developing more jobs for those people working in youth sports, and higher pay."
"The rules for training compensation and solidarity payments were intended to compensate small professional clubs when big professional clubs took their players and signed their players," said Foose. "That's what the system is for. It's not for what this is, which is an attempt to double-dip by nonprofit U.S. youth clubs that don't even have professional teams. "In other words, no one is taking these players away from these clubs. The clubs don't have anywhere for them to play, nor have they made them an offer. The club gets fully compensated for all the training they provide, but they see this as a way to grab some quick money."
"It's only about money. There isn't anything else involved," he said. "The rules are clear and have always been clear, both in Europe and as they are applied in the U.S. "[The youth clubs] now want to change the way those rules are implemented and want to do that for only one reason, because they want money. And they want that money off the backs of players."
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:55 am to LuckyTiger
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The club gets fully compensated for all the training they provide, but they see this as a way to grab some quick money."
Apparently they don't.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 6:58 am to LuckyTiger
From what I'm reading....this is just a shakedown tax.
In Europe, the youth training are subsidized by the respective clubs and they get a cut of the transfer as player moves up.
In America, youth/parents pay to play. We pay for the training, the tournament fees, travel, coaches, etc. There are very few clubs that completely subsidize youth academies. As we pay to play, clubs are not the ones taking the financial risks, but the parents. Clint Dempsey's youth story is quite something. If it wasn't for his sister dying, we would have never seen him play because they couldn't afford for him to play with his sister aiming for a pro tennis career. LINK
Dallas Texans sure as hell didn't subsidize Dempsey and I'm failing to understand why they deserve a cut of his transfers. This goes against the grain of what the transfer system is all about.
In Europe, the youth training are subsidized by the respective clubs and they get a cut of the transfer as player moves up.
In America, youth/parents pay to play. We pay for the training, the tournament fees, travel, coaches, etc. There are very few clubs that completely subsidize youth academies. As we pay to play, clubs are not the ones taking the financial risks, but the parents. Clint Dempsey's youth story is quite something. If it wasn't for his sister dying, we would have never seen him play because they couldn't afford for him to play with his sister aiming for a pro tennis career. LINK
Dallas Texans sure as hell didn't subsidize Dempsey and I'm failing to understand why they deserve a cut of his transfers. This goes against the grain of what the transfer system is all about.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 12:36 pm to EastNastySwag
That's a good point that I didn't think about. These clubs specifically really don't have a complaint then. Clubs associated with MLS academies that pay all the costs for player development, though, should definitely get a cut of profits made from that player if they are picked up by another club.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:20 pm to cwil177
Not to mention, these clubs involved in this case are becoming second fiddle in their respective markets. Chicago Sockers is no longer top dog in Chicago with Fire taking over. Ditto for Texans to FC Dallas and Crossfire to Sounders. This is purely a money play to remain relevant in their respective markets.
Posted on 7/3/16 at 1:24 pm to EastNastySwag
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Not to mention, these clubs involved in this case are becoming second fiddle in their respective markets. Chicago Sockers is no longer top dog in Chicago with Fire taking over. Ditto for Texans to FC Dallas and Crossfire to Sounders. This is purely a money play to remain relevant in their respective markets.
that's what it sounds like
they're mad that they're losing market share and are trying to throw haymakers to stay relevant
Posted on 7/3/16 at 3:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Here is my concern:
I like the idea of doing away with pay to play. Like sch said, that needs to go and it's gone in other countries because youth clubs survive on money from big clubs.
But I have a bad feeling that these youth clubs here, if they win this suit and start getting payments, are STILL going to have pay to play. They are just going to use the money from clubs as an additional revenue stream. That would suck and we would still be stuck with pay to play.
I like the idea of doing away with pay to play. Like sch said, that needs to go and it's gone in other countries because youth clubs survive on money from big clubs.
But I have a bad feeling that these youth clubs here, if they win this suit and start getting payments, are STILL going to have pay to play. They are just going to use the money from clubs as an additional revenue stream. That would suck and we would still be stuck with pay to play.
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