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re: USWNT files federal discrimination suit against US Soccer, demand equal pay
Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:24 pm to Stewie Griffin
Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:24 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Meanwhile, in each team's respective WC year, the men brought in 27.6 million in revenue. The women 26.7 million.
You take into account the $ per games played? That'll tell you the better story. If the women are playing 4 or so more games in a year and the numbers end up similar, then it seems like the total cumulative they make that year should be around the same. That doesn't mean you have to pay the women more per match.
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:49 pm to hendersonshands
I'm copying from AGM pdfs, which don't have the number of games available. If someone wants to track that down for me I'll do the math, or I'll look it up tomorrow.
When you go back to FY12 it's obvious the men have brought in far more revenue.
By my tally, $97.2 million (men) to $69.7 million (women) since then.
But if you just look at FY16 and FY17 expected, it's $44 million women, $30 million men.
And the women have increased revenues by staggering amounts from FY12. 9 times over (from $3 million to $26.7 million)
So if they want a pay raise, now is the time, and they have a point. They're 9 times more valuable than they were just a few years ago.
And again, I don't argue for equal pay. But fair pay. They're making more money for US Soccer. They deserve more money in their pockets.
This is also their fault, partly. They agreed to this CBA. Need a better one next time around. Surely this lawsuit is partly to create leverage in that process.
When you go back to FY12 it's obvious the men have brought in far more revenue.
By my tally, $97.2 million (men) to $69.7 million (women) since then.
But if you just look at FY16 and FY17 expected, it's $44 million women, $30 million men.
And the women have increased revenues by staggering amounts from FY12. 9 times over (from $3 million to $26.7 million)
So if they want a pay raise, now is the time, and they have a point. They're 9 times more valuable than they were just a few years ago.
And again, I don't argue for equal pay. But fair pay. They're making more money for US Soccer. They deserve more money in their pockets.
This is also their fault, partly. They agreed to this CBA. Need a better one next time around. Surely this lawsuit is partly to create leverage in that process.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 6:47 pm to Stewie Griffin
Yeah I agree they should get paid more but the equal pay for equal work argument doesn't fit this situation and I hate that so many people are using it. Pay the market value for both teams.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:03 pm to hendersonshands
Landycakes said it best. USWNT and USMNT pay should be 1) unrelated to each other 2) commensurate with revenue generated.
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:20 pm to Stewie Griffin
If they're going to do that, it probably makes sense to negotiate the tv deals separately. Not sure the women would be okay with that, though.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:21 pm to Stewie Griffin
Are any of the men's regulars actually dependent on the money from friendlies? Can't imagine that's the case.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:27 pm to Stewie Griffin
And he's getting bashed hard. The kicker is....he's spot on. People reason with emotion not reality.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:33 pm to Stewie Griffin
He's absolutely right. People calling him sexist are complete and total morons
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:34 pm to hendersonshands
Has he been changing his stance?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:47 pm to ohiovol
Maybe. I stopped following it earlier when he was getting ganged up on
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:59 pm to EastNastySwag
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hard. The kicker is....he's spot on. People reason with emotion not reality.
So how are the woman projected to make more money than the men this year with Copa America here?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:14 pm to ohiovol
Yeah, that's a good question. Another victory tour if Rio goes well? That'll be an overkill if they did that.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:18 pm to EastNastySwag
Ready to call bullshite on the "USA women are going to out earn the men this year" argument.
Edit: Not sure what exact revenue percentage is, but I have to think US soccer is going to make a lot of money off of Copa Amertica Centenario.
Edit: Not sure what exact revenue percentage is, but I have to think US soccer is going to make a lot of money off of Copa Amertica Centenario.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:20 pm to ohiovol
No way US Soccer gets 100% revenue from ticket sales.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:25 pm to EastNastySwag
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@GrantWahl 1h1 hour ago
USSF prez Sunil Gulati: Revenue generation "absolutely part of the equation" for player pay. USSF: MNT generates almost 2x as much as WNT.
There you have it.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:40 pm to hendersonshands
Was going to say that I didn't really care about proportional pay, although I'm sure that that is central to the case. I wouldn't mind the USSF subsidizing the women's team since their professional careers are always all over the place.
Looking at the NWSL, it appears that the USSF pays a salary directly to the national team players involved. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere. Have we talked about that yet?
Looking at the NWSL, it appears that the USSF pays a salary directly to the national team players involved. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere. Have we talked about that yet?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 9:02 pm to ohiovol
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Just saw US soccer keeps 100% of revenue from Copa America Centenario ticket sales. Ready to call bullshite on the "USA woman are going to out earn the men this year" argument.
Edit: 100 percent may just be
I mean, that's fine, but that argument comes from US Soccer's own budget.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 9:03 pm to hendersonshands
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USSF: MNT generates almost 2x as much as WNT.
Profit? Revenue? Over how long a time frame?
ETA:
US Soccer's response:
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A U.S. Soccer spokesperson disputed the revenue figures presented in the U.S. players’ complaint. “During the last four years, the men’s revenues have been significantly higher than the women’s national team,” the spokesperson said. “The numbers provided in the complaint at times are inaccurate, misleading or both. And looking at a single year doesn’t provide the entire picture. If you look at four or eight years cumulatively, the men’s national team revenues are almost twice that of the women’s national team.”
According to US Soccer, the revenues for the last four years:
Men's: 77.6 Million
Women's: 49.1 million
Not exactly "almost twice as much," but an obvious difference.
If you factor in projections for this year, the last four years is:
Men's $75.2 million
Women's: $56.7 million
ETA: Basically USWNT makes bank with WC and Olympics + Victory Tours. Other two years, not so much, although I'd imagine they'll do some sort of summer tour/tournament annually now to make money.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 9:12 pm to joey barton
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Looking at the NWSL, it appears that the USSF pays a salary directly to the national team players involved. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere. Have we talked about that yet?
From the link in my last post:
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U.S. Soccer has invested approximately $10 million in the NWSL in the last three-plus years
Posted on 3/31/16 at 9:27 pm to Stewie Griffin
Not that I'd expect a spokesperson to go full scorched earth with a pending lawsuit, but I think that directly paying player salaries is a good bit beyond general investment given the complaint.
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