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re: USMNT U-23 vs Brazil U-23 6:00 ET FS1
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:36 pm to aspiclark
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:36 pm to aspiclark
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blaming it all on "the top down lack of identity" without ever mentioning how much better the Brazilian talent pool is.
Let's be fair here; he did mention that there was no way our players could compete with the skill of the opponents.
You seem to be focusing greatly on the notion that he is espousing we have the necessary talent and skill in our player pool and our management is the sole reason we are failing to achieve desirable results. He is not making such an assertion. He is, in fact, saying that there are two fundamental problems with the USMNT: our players and their management.
Regarding Feilhaber and the like, no one knows if we would be better with him as the 10 for the USMNT. However, it is pretty evident to most people that Bradley is not a 10 for the USMNT. The fact is this, however: Feilhaber was good enough to be on the pitch 5 years ago in the World Cup. He is night and day a better soccer player than he was 5 years ago; he has been playing the best ball of his life over the last two years. Yet he is not good enough now to even get a look? At a position of need?
I don't know if he is the answer or not. Perhaps he is not the answer. What I do know is that we don't have the answer right now and I would like to try to find it.
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:20 pm to aspiclark
Get it out of your head that we thought we could have won last night. No one is insinuating that.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:23 pm to pvilleguru
I'm not really accusing you people so much as I am Matthew Doyle. I think he is an unprofessional hack with an agenda and I've read almost every usmnt article he's ever written.
If you disagree with my characterization of his writing, fair enough, but there is plenty of support for what I'm saying in his catalogue.
If you disagree with my characterization of his writing, fair enough, but there is plenty of support for what I'm saying in his catalogue.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:27 pm to aspiclark
and I objectively think it's fair to dismiss feilhaber as a difference maker on the international level. again, two coaches passed on him at different points and the only real thing he's done to change minds since is show out in a league where geriatric drogba scored more than a goal a game this year, and he's done it playing in one of the best run teams in the league.
I certainly think it's reasonable to think he should have been called back. I think it's ridiculous to say this is klinsmann's big failure or that it was a slam dunk, as many mls writers have for the last year and a half.
all I'm saying.
I certainly think it's reasonable to think he should have been called back. I think it's ridiculous to say this is klinsmann's big failure or that it was a slam dunk, as many mls writers have for the last year and a half.
all I'm saying.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:28 pm to aspiclark
reading Matthew Doyle's tweets every time klinsi announces a roster, you would think he was fricking iniesta. lmao
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:57 pm to aspiclark
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I'm not really accusing you people so much as I am Matthew Doyle. I think he is an unprofessional hack with an agenda and I've read almost every usmnt article he's ever written.
Stop. Reading. It's upsetting you so why do it? Thanks man, I'll think more critically about his writing in the future.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:59 pm to aspiclark
How did bob give up on Benny? Because I don't remember any such thing.
Also, Klinsmann not calling up a player of his quality and giving him a chance to prove himself (along with myriad other gaffs) is just an extension of his incompetencies as manager.
Also, Klinsmann not calling up a player of his quality and giving him a chance to prove himself (along with myriad other gaffs) is just an extension of his incompetencies as manager.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:34 pm to cwil177
it doesn't upset me to read something I disagree with; in fact i think I benefit from considering an alternative point of view, especially given how prevalent his point of view is among usmnt fans.
maybe "gave up" is too strong of a word, for Bradley and feilhaber, but after working with him for a significant run, Bradley called out feilhaber and said he "needs to grow up" prior to 2010 and began favoring other players in the midfield, even when calling feilhaber. worth pointing out that - unless I am mistaken - feilhaber did not start any of the matches in the 2010 World Cup.
And Bradley was not the first coach to have friction with feilhaber as I recall. he was considered a mercurial commodity until the last couple years, and while I do not think klinsi is as incompetent as you, eccentric and stubborn as he clearly is, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he would rub him the wrong way.
And my opinion: I do not think he would have been a difference maker in the competitions we've played despite his recent success in a lesser league like mls. I do understand why come fans disagree with him being one of the better players in mls.
Not trying to be a prick, just my opinion.
maybe "gave up" is too strong of a word, for Bradley and feilhaber, but after working with him for a significant run, Bradley called out feilhaber and said he "needs to grow up" prior to 2010 and began favoring other players in the midfield, even when calling feilhaber. worth pointing out that - unless I am mistaken - feilhaber did not start any of the matches in the 2010 World Cup.
And Bradley was not the first coach to have friction with feilhaber as I recall. he was considered a mercurial commodity until the last couple years, and while I do not think klinsi is as incompetent as you, eccentric and stubborn as he clearly is, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he would rub him the wrong way.
And my opinion: I do not think he would have been a difference maker in the competitions we've played despite his recent success in a lesser league like mls. I do understand why come fans disagree with him being one of the better players in mls.
Not trying to be a prick, just my opinion.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:37 pm to aspiclark
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And Bradley was not the first coach to have friction with feilhaber as I recall
When was this friction?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:38 pm to cwil177
and I would give Doyle the benefit of the doubt more if he would occasionally give credit where it's due. he regularly bitches and moans for a certain player to be included or a certain lineup to be selected and then when it is, continues to make sarcastic grumbling comments and dismisses the move that he literally wrote multiple articles crying for. it's pretty transparent at this point. we get it, he hates klinsmann. that's not what I personally think an "analyst" is supposed to write about.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 1:59 am to aspiclark
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maybe "gave up" is too strong of a word, for Bradley and feilhaber, but after working with him for a significant run, Bradley called out feilhaber and said he "needs to grow up" prior to 2010 and began favoring other players in the midfield, even when calling feilhaber. worth pointing out that - unless I am mistaken - feilhaber did not start any of the matches in the 2010 World Cup.
Our lineup from 2009-2010 was Clark and Bradley manning the central midfield in a 4-4-2. Feilhaber was our #1 creative sub in big games when it mattered, such as Spain 2009 (Confed Cup) and Algeria 2010. There is a reason for that. He even helped set up the 2nd US goal against Spain. I think you're misremembering Feilhaber's time under Bradley. I think Feilhaber had a bigger part to play than you remember.
And it's not as if Feilhaber in 2010 is the same as Feihaber in 2015. He and Ethan Finlay are the only Americans in MLS putting up double digit goals and assists, except for a certain Clint Dempsey. For a coach who insists that our domestic league is an important part of growing our national team, it seems odd not to call up such players, as well as players like Sacha Kljestan, who has been so integral to a new-look NYRB side that won the Supporter's Shield. Not only are these players being overlooked, but it's especially grievous given that it's in positions of need. Wingers, a true number 10, a consistent goal-scoring forward... we don't really have these things.
Klinsmann called up Kljestan during the first round of qualifiers and played him at left wing in a 4-2-3-1. He also gave Feilhaber a token sub against Canada during a January camp. That was one of the worst soccer games I've ever watched, and Feilhaber was the only standout player. Oddly, it was Feilhaber who got no further attention from Jurgen.
You're fighting a losing battle. At this point most US fans realize that Feilhaber not getting US callups reflects more negatively on Jurgen than it does on Feilhaber.
Posted on 11/13/15 at 3:01 am to aspiclark
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he hates klinsmann. that's not what I personally think an "analyst" is supposed to write about.
Maybe he hates klinsmann because he has analyzed klinsmann as a manager.
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