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Things we learned from the send off series
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:15 am
After the 41212 experiment, we moved back to the 4231 and looked much more comfortable and consistent especially at the back.
After a slow start against Azerbaijan and much criticism (from me included) I think DMB is our starting LB. He understands his positioning with Besler and has good situational awareness that gives him the edge over Chandler. I think we finally know our back 4:
Fab - Cameron - Besler - Beasley
The move back to the 4231 also helped us to lock down and clog up the space in front of the back 4 with Beckerman and Jones. I'm liking Beckerman more each game, and was a proponent of his pairing with Bradley at CDM. However, with moving Bradley forward I was impressed with the Jones and Beckerman pairing. Beckerman is solid and excels at being in the right place defensively. This gives Jones a bit more freedom to be himself getting forward, but doesn't leave us out to dry because Beckerman always seems to be at home. I think our starting CDM's are:
Jones - Beckerman
Moving Bradley to CAM was genius imo. He's the key to unlocking the opposing defense, and I think he's going to excel there this tournament. On the wings I think we see Dempsey and Bedoya. It's close between Zusi and Bedoya but in the send off series Bedoya has looked the better player to me. He hustles up and down that wing and brings a good work rate. I think our attacking mids are:
Dempsey - Bradley - Bedoya
Jozy CAN still score! He acted like his 2 goal outburst wasn't a big deal in the post game interview, but I think it's everything. And to do it against a WC side should boost his confidence and hopefully he continues his form. Jozy starts and Wondo/Bacon/Green round out the depth chart.
Before the send off series I had all but mailed in a group stage exit. After these 3 games I am cautiously optimistic about our chances to make it out. We aren't great, but I think we are as good as we can be and that may be just good enough.
It's just around the corner gents!
After a slow start against Azerbaijan and much criticism (from me included) I think DMB is our starting LB. He understands his positioning with Besler and has good situational awareness that gives him the edge over Chandler. I think we finally know our back 4:
Fab - Cameron - Besler - Beasley
The move back to the 4231 also helped us to lock down and clog up the space in front of the back 4 with Beckerman and Jones. I'm liking Beckerman more each game, and was a proponent of his pairing with Bradley at CDM. However, with moving Bradley forward I was impressed with the Jones and Beckerman pairing. Beckerman is solid and excels at being in the right place defensively. This gives Jones a bit more freedom to be himself getting forward, but doesn't leave us out to dry because Beckerman always seems to be at home. I think our starting CDM's are:
Jones - Beckerman
Moving Bradley to CAM was genius imo. He's the key to unlocking the opposing defense, and I think he's going to excel there this tournament. On the wings I think we see Dempsey and Bedoya. It's close between Zusi and Bedoya but in the send off series Bedoya has looked the better player to me. He hustles up and down that wing and brings a good work rate. I think our attacking mids are:
Dempsey - Bradley - Bedoya
Jozy CAN still score! He acted like his 2 goal outburst wasn't a big deal in the post game interview, but I think it's everything. And to do it against a WC side should boost his confidence and hopefully he continues his form. Jozy starts and Wondo/Bacon/Green round out the depth chart.
Before the send off series I had all but mailed in a group stage exit. After these 3 games I am cautiously optimistic about our chances to make it out. We aren't great, but I think we are as good as we can be and that may be just good enough.
It's just around the corner gents!
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:17 am to ezride25
Fab Johnson is about to make a lot of money.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:23 am to ezride25
Yeah, I agree that Bedoya and Graham will alternate based on the matchup.
Jozy is our key player - if he keeps up a good work rate and frees up our other attacking players (all while knocking a couple in himself hopefully), we have a chance.
Our backline is going to yield a few goals due to lack of experience and continuity, just need to keep good attacking form.
Jozy is our key player - if he keeps up a good work rate and frees up our other attacking players (all while knocking a couple in himself hopefully), we have a chance.
Our backline is going to yield a few goals due to lack of experience and continuity, just need to keep good attacking form.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:27 am to Broski
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Fab Johnson is about to make a lot of money.
I'm glad he's already signed with Gladbach.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:28 am to Broski
Agreed. If he does well against the Portuguese crybaby and what will likely be Shurrle he stands to be a highly sought after commodity. Good fullbacks are hard to come by.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:34 am to ezride25
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:49 am to ezride25
I'm not sure how to feel, but I'm glad the diamond has been put to rest.
IF that Nigeria team was any kind of proxy for Ghana, then I would feel pretty good, but I think Ghana will be a much stiffer test.
Overall it felt like we created a lot of chances but lacked the quality to convert most of them. We'll just have to be much more clinical and better with the final pass to have a chance IMO.
And yeah, as much as I've defended JK on here, I know he left off a player that could have provided that. I personally expected more out of Bedoya and Zusi.
On a positive note, I think we have the potential to play a lot better in Brazil. I think Bradley (as good as he was) and Dempsey especially will turn it up a notch.
Defensively, we allowed a lot of chances. They didn't become goals, but our group opponents are going to be much more lethal on those chances than Turkey and Nigeria were.
It's heartening that we didn't allow any early goals, which is something we really haven't done often at all under JK for whatever reason.
It would be really interesting to see how the 4-3-2-1 does against Belgium. I'm glad they have the scrimmage to work on it, seeing as we've only played it in one match.
IF that Nigeria team was any kind of proxy for Ghana, then I would feel pretty good, but I think Ghana will be a much stiffer test.
Overall it felt like we created a lot of chances but lacked the quality to convert most of them. We'll just have to be much more clinical and better with the final pass to have a chance IMO.
And yeah, as much as I've defended JK on here, I know he left off a player that could have provided that. I personally expected more out of Bedoya and Zusi.
On a positive note, I think we have the potential to play a lot better in Brazil. I think Bradley (as good as he was) and Dempsey especially will turn it up a notch.
Defensively, we allowed a lot of chances. They didn't become goals, but our group opponents are going to be much more lethal on those chances than Turkey and Nigeria were.
It's heartening that we didn't allow any early goals, which is something we really haven't done often at all under JK for whatever reason.
It would be really interesting to see how the 4-3-2-1 does against Belgium. I'm glad they have the scrimmage to work on it, seeing as we've only played it in one match.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:50 am to pvilleguru
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I'm glad he's already signed with Gladbach.
A bigger club can easily swipe him away if he plays in Brazil like he has played in the send off series.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:53 am to joey barton
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joey barton
Didn't thenry post this exact same formation as one he'd like the USMNT to use, but never thought would actually happen, when the roster was announced?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:54 am to WarSlamEagle
That Jacksonville is incompetent at hosting sporting events.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:56 am to joey barton
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At least it doesn't look like a midfield that would get overrun very easily.
Potential to have bad numbers when Bedoya and Jones both get forward (like on the first goal Saturday), because Dempsey will always be trying to get on goal himself. I assume Bradley tries to read Jones on that kind of play and hangs back a bit.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:59 am to uway
We look painfully narrow in that picture.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:02 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Didn't thenry post this exact same formation as one he'd like the USMNT to use, but never thought would actually happen, when the roster was announced?
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5/27/14
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This is the lineup I created on ASN. It lacks width, but makes up for it by giving our midfielders freedom to roam the channels. It also allows Bradley to become the point of attack with Jones and Beckerman providing cover.
There's no way in hell Jurgen does something like this, but it's interesting tactically in theory.
thenry
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:05 pm to WarSlamEagle
Yes, but his Christmas tree included Mix and don't remember what else was different.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:12 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I'm not convinced it was a Christmas tree just because it happened to look like one at one point and then someone grabbed a screenshot. Bradley was in the middle of that attacking 3 but came back a lot. Jones was essentially box to box. Again, the formation doesn't really matter so much as how the players move while on the field.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:16 pm to cwil177
I don't know if/when a switch was made, but the pre game starting lineup definitely showed a 4231. Either way I think most are in agreement on the starting 11 though the formation may be flexible.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:20 pm to Broski
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A bigger club can easily swipe him away if he plays in Brazil like he has played in the send off series.
No shite, but at least Gladbach will profit off of it.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:26 pm to uway
Yeah, I remember that discussion. It offered the idea of getting Mix in the lineup but also that the US was being better with Beckerman holding and both Bradley and Jones being freed to press and win balls to start counters.
The three midfields the US faces in group are all better than Nigeria's but that tactic did work as Bradley won a ton of balls in dangerous positions.
The three midfields the US faces in group are all better than Nigeria's but that tactic did work as Bradley won a ton of balls in dangerous positions.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:27 pm to cwil177
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I'm not convinced it was a Christmas tree just because it happened to look like one at one point and then someone grabbed a screenshot.
Maybe. But it seems like Bedoya being positioned deeper than Bradley is a big deal as far as their respective responsibilities.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 12:52 pm to uway
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I assume Bradley tries to read Jones on that kind of play and hangs back a bit.
I'd have to go back and rewatch it, but I think that on that play, Bradley dropped deep and JJ moved into the space that he vacated.
JJ and Bedoya looked like they had a good grasp of how to play in line with Beckerman vs. Davis and Zusi w/Jones or even when Zusi came on later in the Nigeria game.
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I'm not convinced it was a Christmas tree just because it happened to look like one at one point and then someone grabbed a screenshot.
Well, I think that that's what the team called it, and then, someone posted a screenshot in the comments of the article.
I didn't think that our shape looked a whole lot different that what it was supposed to look like in the Turkey and AZ games, especially going forward. Though, either Altidore or Dempsey dropped even with Bradley in defense, which I guess looks a lot like what they said we were playing.
I think that our biggest improvement was here:
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“We talked beforehand about Kyle sitting deep in front of the defenders, Jermaine being tilted to his left and Alejandro tilted to his right, and I think the understanding between the three of them was very good,” attacking midfielder Michael Bradley said. “Defensively we were able to close space down and make it hard on them in their attacking third.”
vs. Davis-Jones-Zusi. Beckerman obviously plays in something similar at RSL, and I think that it does a good job of harnessing, rather than suppressing, JJ's insanity.
@ezride25: the 4-2-3-1 was just ESPN's interpretation of the list of names they were given. I don't think that the team released the formation prior to the game.
Ultimately, I'd like to know what that 3/5 man, whichever you prefer, backline was all about during the last ten minutes.
thenry
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