So back to this Women's soccer vs Men's soccer debate

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So back to this Women's soccer vs Men's soccer debate

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What debate? I don't think anyone would ever argue the quality of the products are comparable.

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There isn't a debate.

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tell the women who want equal pay that....

Didn't the US Women's team get beat a few years ago in a tune up against a high school team from Colorado? I remember that story only because the US coach made the boys team play down a man and they still ended up beating them

edit: woops, I was way wrong. I was thinking of Sweden. Here's the article. LINK

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The new national team coach Pia Sundhage, who returned home last year after taking charge of the US team for several years, decided to let her players tackle the male youth team for Stockholm football club AIK.

Within 30 minutes, the boys had plucked one goal from the women, despite Sundhage asking the AIK under-17 team to take out one of its defenders and play with only 10 players on the field, reports the tabloid Aftonbladet.

"I wasn't told about that until after the game," national team defender Sara Thunebro told the newspaper.

"We had our hands full during the game."

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The AIK boys ending beating their older, female colleagues 3-0.

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This is something we all know but are not supposed to talk about.

I just hope they got equal pay. They worked just as hard.

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WNT's arguments is that they've had more success in the WC and Olympics compared to the men, as if the tournaments are somehow equal

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I didn't realize we are talking about the national teams. In that case their argument is not that bad, since it is their only argument worth making. Viewership and revenue is probably higher for the women.

The men's team deserves zero money as far as I'm concerned.

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as if the tournaments are somehow equal.

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How are they not equal? Our men suck, and the women are good relative to their competition.

If the Spanish women's team was asking for equal pay it would be laughable.

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How are they not equal? Our men suck, and the women are good relative to their competition.

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So the best team in the WNBA should make the same as a middle of the road team in the NBA? Or the players for the best team in League 2 should make more money than Everton's players? See how fricking stupid that logic is? Bc our men's team doesn't suck. We're one of only 8 countries to make the round of 16 in 3 of the last 4 world cups, along with Germany, England, Argentina, Netherlands, Mexico, Brazil and Spain. Of those 8 only Brazil, Germany, and Mexico have made the knockouts in all the last 4.
Teams not on that list? Italy, France, Colombia, Uruguay, Belgium. When it matters the men's team tends to deliver.

No other country gives a shite about women's soccer, or really women's sports in general. Making the round of 16 in the men's world cup is just as difficult if not more difficult an accomplishment than winning the Women's World Cup considering our position and resources in both relative to other countries.

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I had a response all ready prior to your post and my computer connection went down. Didn't have the energy to do it again

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How are they not equal? Our men suck, and the women are good relative to their competition.

So the best team in the WNBA should make the same as a middle of the road team in the NBA?

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I don't see these two statements as being connected at all. If I was not clear, I never meant to say anything close to that. However, if the revenue in the WNBA was the same as the NBA, the pay would be the same. Why shouldn't it be?

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See how fricking stupid that logic is?

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I do. And I never said anything like that. Perhaps you are taking the overall argument of some and projecting on me.

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When it matters the men's team tends to deliver.

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Ah, so top 16 is fine for LSU this year?

Well you said the tournaments are equal and they aren't. And yes some of the women have essentially used the argument that the fact that they win tournaments and the men don't as reasons they should be paid more and featured more on platforms like ESPN. Perhaps you did not mean to support in that argument, in which case I apologize for me retort. It's just annoying that some do not realize the disparity between international support and passion for the women's game and international support and passion for the men's game.

The USWNT are the best supported women's national team in almost every way, traditionally, monetarily, infrastructure, talent pool, you name it. In contrast, the men do not share any of those same advantages.

Bc of those two factors, the women are playing against such watered competition that excelling in that area, while commendable, is equivalent to the two examples I posted. Or choose any sporting league that is inferior by a wide margin to what you would consider the top league. Is ULL winning the Sun Belt and New Orleans bowl a better accomplishment than LSU going 10-2 and losing in the SEC title game?

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Ah, so top 16 is fine for LSU this year?

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Again, I'm not sure if your logic is flawed or you don't understand the different positions LSU and the USMNT occupy in their respective sports. If LSU put all their resources into 5 sports, with football being on the lower end of that fivesome, while other schools put all their resources into one or two sports with football receiving by far the lion's share, then yes finishing in the top 16 would be a very good accomplishment. Also considering that if we're furthering this analogy, LSU would've only started any real semblance of a football team in about 1980, while other schools had been developing talent pools, pipelines, traditions, and passion since the 1800's.

I'm really fine with paying the women more. That's not my issue at all. But they should be evaluated in a vacuum, not in comparison to the men. My issue is with one of their arguments, think hope solo was the main proponent, that they deserve more money and exposure bc they "win while the men just show up." And then people who aren't familiar with the realities of international soccer or men's vs women's sports just hear that and parrot it.