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re: So are we still pretending Jose Mourinho is an elite manager?
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
They should have gone after Idrissa Gueye. Dude has had identical stats with Kante for two years, one year in Ligue 1 and last year with Aston Villa. He was very good for Villa and is pretty much the exact type of destroyer they need, and would have been much cheaper.
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:39 pm to crazy4lsu
But Kante or Gueye going to sell any cool commercial videos, which seems to be the theme of a lot of United's transfer policy.
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:40 pm to crazy4lsu
not a big enough name for Man U, bro
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:41 pm to WarSlamEagle
I don't buy that. I don't think you are rebuilding. I think you are severely underperforming with the absolute embarrassment of riches you have.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:44 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
They can be both rebuilding and underperforming. It's the lack of identity that has really hurt them. The transition from LvG to Mourinho shouldn't have been that steep. Both have the same basic framework. Mourinho doesn't know how to teach the offensive game in a way that he should.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:48 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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I don't buy that. I don't think you are rebuilding. I think you are severely underperforming with the absolute embarrassment of riches you have.
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive with what I said was United's main problem, but OK. There's really no use in going back and forth about this.
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They can be both rebuilding and underperforming. It's the lack of identity that has really hurt them. The transition from LvG to Mourinho shouldn't have been that steep. Both have the same basic framework. Mourinho doesn't know how to teach the offensive game in a way that he should.
Once again, Crazy says things better than I could have.
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well he was a big name in my heart.
The player they should get now is William Carvalho. He's been amazing for a year now after some injury troubles. He's like Busquets in how calm he is under pressure, and his technique is pretty good. I love him because he reminds me of Gilberto, a player that looks like they don't do very much but actually do a lot.
The evolution of the game has long been towards bigger players who have technical ability. It's what Brazil always promises with some of their more workman like players. Having a midfield of Carvalho and Pogba would be pretty amazing in my opinion.
The player they should get now is William Carvalho. He's been amazing for a year now after some injury troubles. He's like Busquets in how calm he is under pressure, and his technique is pretty good. I love him because he reminds me of Gilberto, a player that looks like they don't do very much but actually do a lot.
The evolution of the game has long been towards bigger players who have technical ability. It's what Brazil always promises with some of their more workman like players. Having a midfield of Carvalho and Pogba would be pretty amazing in my opinion.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 5:59 pm to WarSlamEagle
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I don't think the two are mutually exclusive with what I said was United's main problem, but OK.
Agreed but now we are just arguing a different point.
I think it's too easy to label it a rebuilding year, when what Mourinho is doing is simply not working. If you would have asked Manchester United fans before the season started what this year was going to be, it was competing for the title. If you would have asked them after 3 matches, it would have been competing for the title. Now that the league has adapted to Mourinho it's a rebuilding year. Which I just disagree with personally but if you want to label it that, go for it.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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The player they should get now is William Carvalho.
I've wanted him for a loooooooong time.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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The player they should get now is William Carvalho. He's been amazing for a year now after some injury troubles. He's like Busquets in how calm he is under pressure, and his technique is pretty good
he was real as hell in the Euros
he reminds me of Vierra in how huge he is and how he moves
so kante = Makélélé and William = Vierra
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Having a midfield of Carvalho and Pogba would be pretty amazing in my opinion.
i think they should go with a 4-1-4-1 or a 4-3-3 with a big bad CDM covering and let pogba and the merry group of other CMs on their roster (probably herrera, though) pair up
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:04 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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If you would have asked Manchester United fans before the season started what this year was going to be, it was competing for the title.
For most, sure, but I still saw the lack of an established identity as a huge problem.
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If you would have asked them after 3 matches, it would have been competing for the title. Now that the league has adapted to Mourinho it's a rebuilding year.
That wasn't my mindset or train of thought, but I'm not the average United fan.
Maybe rebuilding is the wrong term. I just thought this season would be one where United could contend for Top 4 while building that identity in Mourinho's system. I've seen too many good runs that flamed out (like how United started this season) in the post-SAF era to immediately jump on the UNITED BYKE, TITLE COMIN' bandwagon.
And, yes, I fully understand how absurd that view might be in light of the cash United have spent in the last several windows. But money can't fix everything, IMO.
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think they should go with a 4-1-4-1 or a 4-3-3 with a big bad CDM covering and let pogba and the merry group of other CMs on their roster (probably herrera, though) pair up
Yes. Don't need a strict 4-2-3-1. Let Pogba and Herrera run things together with a destroyer behind them.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:10 pm to WarSlamEagle
Carvalho is more than a destroyer too. He's a rather incisive passer.
Having a player who can make an entry pass between the lines, whether at CB or DM, is pretty much a necessity if you want to be an elite team.
Having a player who can make an entry pass between the lines, whether at CB or DM, is pretty much a necessity if you want to be an elite team.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:18 pm to WarSlamEagle
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could contend for Top 4 while building that identity in Mourinho's system.
Problem is, Chelsea had absolutely zero identity last year after a year+ in Mourinho's system.
I think my point is you have the players to have a cohesive system, you have a manager refusing to play them to their strength, and because of it the rebuilding label comes out.
Similarly, LFC was not "in a rebuilding period" for 10 years. They were rebuilding maybe 2 or 3 of those years and the rest were just flat out underachievement.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 6:50 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
From some dude on twitter... 
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Mourinho can't even blame Chelsea's freshness and lack of midweek European games cos that's his fault as well.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 7:04 pm to WarSlamEagle
Kante should honestly be nominated for the Ballon d'Or this year. He carried Leicester to a title, and he has transformed Chelsea.
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 10/23/16 at 7:35 pm to jackwoods4
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Ballon d'Or
Well maybe if this and FIFA were still a thing....
I'm still in somewhat shock over United today. Like i was pissed at drawing the Saints at home, of course only because of an error on City's part, but holy frick, thank god I'm not a United fan.
It's amazing how shitty they are, Pogba looks like shite, Ibra is shite. I mean there hasn't been one player I've been impressed by and remember how all United fans would brag about upcoming youth? Where is that now? Januzaj, Wilson, Lingard and Rashford all are blowing dick, the last two are at least still with the club though. I don't know if we can keep calling this a manager issue at this point though, this may just be the new Manchester United where an FA Cup title and a Europa League spot are considered a success. They're the new Liverpool.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:09 pm to WarSlamEagle
The problem with rebuilding with Mourinho is that you'll be rebuilding again within a couple of years.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:14 pm to McCaigBro69
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McCaigBro69
Posted on 10/23/16 at 10:08 pm to LuckyTiger
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his belly flop at Chelsea.
He won a title his second stint at Chelsea
He's won trebles
Man U will win trophies with Jose if they give him time, Its his first year in the month of October
IMO he shouldn't have signed Zlatan
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 10:15 pm
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