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NASL, NPSL teams file with CAS to introduce pro/rel in U.S. soccer

Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:55 am
Posted by Tigerfan7218
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:55 am
Miami FC and Kingston Stockade FC filed with the Court of Arbitration for Sport to force MLS/USSA to introduce promotion/relegation in the states

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Interesting... Doubt it goes anywhere though
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:56 am to
fighting the good fight

Posted by Tigerfan7218
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:56 am to
I'm all for it, and I agree with them that it'd be mighty good for the overall product in the U.S.
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:57 am to
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“When it comes to soccer success, America lags behind the rest of the world. One reason is because our system is not an open system and is actually blocked from becoming an open system,” said Kingston Stockade FC owner Dennis Crowley. “By embracing pro/rel and using this tried-and-true system, we would have a greater ability to unlock additional soccer markets, reward investment in those markets, and create new talent pools within the United States.”


Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:59 am to
What's stopping NASL and NPSL from combining and forming a league to rival MLS?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:03 am to
well for one MLS has the D1 sanction. Why you need a D1 sanction in a closed system is beyond me. Well actually I do know why, it's to suppress competition. Hard to get major investment in a permanent minor league.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:05 am to
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What's stopping NASL and NPSL from combining and forming a league to rival MLS?


You know why
Posted by Tigerfan7218
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:06 am to
As Draconian said:

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Why you need a D1 sanction in a closed system is beyond me. Well actually I do know why, it's to suppress competition. Hard to get major investment in a permanent minor league.
Posted by Meursault
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:07 am to
MLS would leave FIFA before giving in.

This fight isn't going anywhere.
Posted by Tigerfan7218
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:07 am to
I just don't get why there's any sort of pushback from ANYONE outside of MLS team management/MLS leadership... It'd be good for fans, good for the sport, and literally works everywhere else in the world
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:07 am to
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well for one MLS has the D1 sanction. Why you need a D1 sanction in a closed system is beyond me. Well actually I do know why, it's to suppress competition. Hard to get major investment in a permanent minor league.

If they draw the fans, those major investments won't care if it's labeled D1 or D2 by some party that doesn't have much to do with the league.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:09 am to
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If they draw the fans


and why would fans go to a minor league game in droves? What other sport do minor leagues get really great attendance?

if you don't see why it's a big deal then you're being intentionally obtuse.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 9:10 am
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:11 am to
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I just don't get why there's any sort of pushback from ANYONE outside of MLS team management/MLS leadership


MLS has done a good job brainwashing their fans and threatening reporters into towing their party line.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 9:11 am
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:12 am to
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and why would fans go to a minor league game in droves?

They already do in places.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:14 am to
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They already do in places.


which is quite impressive considering the system is designed to work against them

now take away the D1 sanction and allow leagues to compete on an even playing field and lets see what happens
Posted by Meursault
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:15 am to
Pasting a comment from reddit, because it's summed up much better than I could.

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This is stupid. This is so, so stupid for so, so many reasons.

* Regardless of how you feel about pro/rel, and I am in favor of instituting it one day when our soccer economy is more stable, it is not feasible *now*. But instead of putting money towards the development of lower division football, they're going to waste money with a frivolous lawsuit that has exactly zero chance of working.

* FIFA does not step into a confederation's or federation's business unless there is a very clear violation of rules. They especially don't get involved in soccer politics in member nations. If the national body doesn't have an issue with something, FIFA almost never steps in and overrules them. Contrary to the belief of some, pro/rel is *not* mandated in FIFAs regulations. At all. It just isn't. There is no airtight clause that says "you need to have pro/rel or you aren't following the rules".
* Instituting pro/rel now will *not* increase financial returns. It will *not* magically make American soccer better. If anything, instituting promotion and relegation on markets that either aren't ready to move up (due to lack of interest or stadiums for example) or won't survive a drop down (because frankly, American soccer interest isn't there yet), threatens the survival of *more* teams than not having pro/rel until the lower divisions stabilize.
* Nobody, *nobody*, involved at the highest levels of soccer in this country think pro/rel is a good idea. The *only* people who have an interest in pro/rel now are those who would *immediately and directly* benefit from it like Silva and Miami FC. That's it. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who thinks pro/rel now is a good idea flat out doesn't understand the issue, what's necessary for it to be successful, and the impacts of it's implementation.
* Even the privately-funded Deloitte study (paid for by Silva, who has an obvious interest in certain results) said the country wouldn't be ready for at least a decade if not more. That kills any economical reason whatsoever for the implementation of pro/rel. Wouldn't it be ironic if the defense in this case used Silva's own study against him? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Pro/rel will *eventually* come. When teams can survive being dropped a division. When teams can survive the added costs of moving up. When public interest isn't so fleeting. When the lower divisions stabilize. This is just the old NASL policy of suing their way to get what they want all over again. And it'll fail just as badly. So much for doing things differently, the only difference is it's Silva and Miami FC instead of the Cosmos.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:16 am to
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Regardless of how you feel about pro/rel, and I am in favor of instituting it one day when our soccer economy is more stable, it is not feasible *now*.


I stopped right there because this line is utter nonsense
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:16 am to
If they are concerned about being labeled D2, they need to focus on getting US Soccer to change the qualifications for that. I will agree that the qualifications needed to be labeled D1 are bullshite. I do not agree that they need to force MLS to be an open system.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:18 am to
But there is nothing stopping NASL from having pro/rel right now.
Posted by Meursault
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:18 am to
How is that nonsense? I think he has a lot of good points.
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