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re: MLS growth process
Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:08 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Average in Europe, but they're skilled nonetheless. They may not be top-shelf players, but they're not "average" by MLS standards.
The league will never reach the level it hopes to reach without a solid youth system. That's true of any league in world football. If we hope to get players to "that level", we need them playing football only and playing it with other players at their level. It needs to be seen as a viable option.
That said, the more players come here from top leagues, the less players think "That's a league for scrubs." Whether it's money or whatever else bringing them, we need more Giovinco type players who don't quite make the grade in Europe to come here. That raises the "average" player's skill level, and overall, a better league will breed better players.
You can't just say that either one is the key. You need more players coming in to boost the skill level necessary to win while implementing a youth system that will put out players at that level or beyond it. This league is already leaps and bounds ahead of what it was not so long ago.
The league will never reach the level it hopes to reach without a solid youth system. That's true of any league in world football. If we hope to get players to "that level", we need them playing football only and playing it with other players at their level. It needs to be seen as a viable option.
That said, the more players come here from top leagues, the less players think "That's a league for scrubs." Whether it's money or whatever else bringing them, we need more Giovinco type players who don't quite make the grade in Europe to come here. That raises the "average" player's skill level, and overall, a better league will breed better players.
You can't just say that either one is the key. You need more players coming in to boost the skill level necessary to win while implementing a youth system that will put out players at that level or beyond it. This league is already leaps and bounds ahead of what it was not so long ago.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 5:11 pm
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:28 pm to IwasGroot
Bc the nasl did the exact same thing and killed domestic US soccer for 20 years
Posted on 4/7/16 at 9:48 pm to Fratastic423
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People overlook the fact that soccer is Europe is all about ridiculous money.
Sergio Aguero, arguably the best striker in the premier league, makes $13-million. Yaya is close to that and at one time he was a world-class mid. Outside of your absolute, top-shelf, world-class guys the money isn't that absurd. City behind NYY and LAD for largest wage bill. Obligatory "ESPNFC FFS" but City was paying stupid wages and was still behind two baseball teams.
MLS can't handle those numbers yet but the American market can support big payrolls.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:41 pm to LSUMJ
Thus the MLS ownership structure, salary cap and other rules, to ensure growth and not do an NASL.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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quote]Giovinco and Dos Santos [/quote
Two average players in Europe
1. Which Dos Santos?
2. Giovinco had a future in Europe, but was far from consecrated. He was not a star.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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quote]Giovinco and Dos Santos [/quote
Two average players in Europe
1. Which Dos Santos?
2. Giovinco had a future in Europe, but was far from consecrated. He was not a star.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:07 pm to Dandy Lion
He has to mean Gio Dos Santos.
To be clear, I'm not saying they're European superstars, but they're above the average player's skill level in MLS. I think that's evident in Giovinco's dominance last season. That's what we really need more of, though. The younger, talented players who can come here and set a standard.
In my eyes, Giovinco's better for the league in the long run than Nigel de Jong or Frank Lampard. I also think it's better for the league and US Soccer than giving anyone who happens to have made a USMNT roster a king's ransom to come home or stay home.
Hell, Mix has basically been reduced to a shell of a footballer since coming here. Even the one player I fanboy over as much as some of the Donovan guys, Michael Bradley, has taken a major step back since coming home. Played out of position or not, consistency in his touch has disappeared.
To be clear, I'm not saying they're European superstars, but they're above the average player's skill level in MLS. I think that's evident in Giovinco's dominance last season. That's what we really need more of, though. The younger, talented players who can come here and set a standard.
In my eyes, Giovinco's better for the league in the long run than Nigel de Jong or Frank Lampard. I also think it's better for the league and US Soccer than giving anyone who happens to have made a USMNT roster a king's ransom to come home or stay home.
Hell, Mix has basically been reduced to a shell of a footballer since coming here. Even the one player I fanboy over as much as some of the Donovan guys, Michael Bradley, has taken a major step back since coming home. Played out of position or not, consistency in his touch has disappeared.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 4/8/16 at 6:20 am to Dijkstra
Mix was always mediocre, he plays in a better league now than when he was in Norway and it shows.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:36 am to Dijkstra
Giovinco and Dos Santos were excellent for the league. Signing anyone over 33 for a ton of money just isn't really that great for the league.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 9:28 am to itawambadog
Whether we like it or not, people pay to see those guys. Most people don't care about quality of play, they just want to see the big names and the big teams. Look at how many people will go watch a big club play their B team at 3/4 speed at some ICC match during the summer. Even people on this board eat that up.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:03 am to Cocotheape
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Most people don't care about quality of play, they just want to see the big names and the big teams.
It's pretty clear that you can spend less and get equal or better outcomes to teams that spend big, but I wouldn't accuse people who want to see big names of not caring about quality of play. DPs who actually earn their money still do shite that very few players are able to do.
It's not like teams who make successful DP signings consistently perform like shite, either.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:29 am to joey barton
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It's pretty clear that you can spend less and get equal or better outcomes to teams that spend big,
Just look at the final, two smaller market teams with no big name DPs. No LA, Toronto, or NYCFC.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:35 am to joey barton
I think the MLS is going about this the right way by sprinkling in a few big name players but committing to academy development for long term growth. Consider the final four clubs that competed for the MLS Cup last year: Portland, Columbus, Dallas, and NYRB. None of those clubs had big priced DPs like LA Galaxy, Toronto, Seattle, or NYC. Yet all four clubs were very pleasant to watch and played high quality, exciting soccer through a philosophy of youth commitment (Powell, Nagbe, Asprilla, Trapp, Finlay, Tchani, Castillo, Gonzalez, Ulloa, Diaz, Acosta, Hedges, Miazga) and smart buying of quality but lesser known players (Valeri, Adi, Kwarasey, Chara, Kamara, Higuain, Kljestan, Sam, Wright-Phillips).
You want and need the big name players because they increase exposure, coverage, and demand but the way you continue to grow the league and weave it into the fabric of American sports culture is through academies and young players. You also need to find those quality players that are underexposed and bring them in to play key roles. I think the MLS leadership has the right blend and is on the right path.
You want and need the big name players because they increase exposure, coverage, and demand but the way you continue to grow the league and weave it into the fabric of American sports culture is through academies and young players. You also need to find those quality players that are underexposed and bring them in to play key roles. I think the MLS leadership has the right blend and is on the right path.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:59 am to IwasGroot
Because the number of guys that would have the impact you describe could probably be counted on one hand.
A guy like Lewandowski coming to MLS wouldn't register with the mainstream sports fan at all.
A guy like Lewandowski coming to MLS wouldn't register with the mainstream sports fan at all.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:11 pm to RedPop4
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NASL
Red herring MLS and its apologists use to justify forced mediocrity
Posted on 4/9/16 at 3:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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