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Posted on 2/21/13 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 2/21/13 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

we have seen Jurgy's stubbornness to use wings and have wide play


Yeah he hates width.

Or maybe we don't have any good wingers.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20740 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 1:17 pm to
Somebody a little more advanced than me in tactics could answer this better but Dolo and Donovan providing width and service into the box for Deuce and Jozy. Or with that width allow Bradley to pick passes through the middle to Jozy with Deuce playing behind him to poach.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 2:40 pm to
I agree with Carlisle's article on espn fc. What LD is doing is bullshite. He can retire if he wants to retire, but you can't just go AWOL during training camp and the beginning of the season. I mean he's dicking over the USMNT, but even more so the Galaxy. You signed a contract. You're being paid well to have these burdens you complain about.

Guy sounds like he wants to retire. He should. That'd be better than the limbo he's leaving everyone else in.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12461 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 2:44 pm to
I agree with all of that. Seems like people are dancing around the subject because he is Landon Donovan. For instance, listening to Sirius/XM FC, everyone seems terrified to say a bad thing about him in this. I think he is being selfish and it is hurting his teammates.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19484 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 2:50 pm to
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Noob question alert: ok, haven't asked a noob question in a while but we have seen Jurgy's stubbornness to use wings and have wide play..I thought getting the ball wide to work in or swing in on a cross was a template for good soccer? Are there any notable teams who have success without wide play? TIA


Soccer is ultimately about space management. You chose which spaces to occupy, and you attempt to force your opponent into whatever space you dictate (or allow) to them. You can't cover it all.

By using players on the outside (either wide midfielders or overlapping backs) you force your opponent to defend along the sidelines and in the box (on crosses). You concede space on the counter attack, but you're conceding it on the wings, and essentially, forcing your opponent to do what you better than you do it.

Of course, this played into the US' hands for many years. Big center backs, forwards who were good in the air, speed out on the wings (and questionable central midfielders). Force the play out wide. Pushing forward with Donovan and Beasley, overlapping with the Cherundolos, Hejduks, Bornsteins and Pearces of the world. Push your opponent out and make them defend that space.

Contrast that with what we've seen in the last few qualifiers. No width in the midfield, and less forward push from the outside backs. As you try to 1-2 your way up the field, your midfield gets pushed further up the field, creating a gap to exploit between midfield and defense. How many times did Espinoza and Bonek Garcia run unchallenged from the center stripe to the 18?

We're trying to play through the middle against teams that are packing the middle, and conceding space in the most crucial area, in front of the back four.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28422 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 3:19 pm to
This is the best analysis of our space problems that I have seen on the SB.

The LD haters should read this.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/21/13 at 3:22 pm
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20740 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 3:50 pm to
Good read
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19484 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

and the emotional scars of a failed marriage to a dime piece and the painful reality that he made mistakes that forever changed his fate.


FTFIves
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20740 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 4:00 pm to
Troof
Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 4:39 pm to
Jeff Bradley gives a nice account of Donovan's motives

Landon is just keeping real...man.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28422 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 6:39 pm to
That's Bob Bradley's brother, for those who are curious.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155372 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 7:50 pm to
some of my favorite donovan moments came during his loan spells at everton.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19484 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 8:10 pm to
Maybe we should post a favorite Donovan moment:

Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
20386 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 8:45 pm to
Sheep, that's some very deep and appreciated soccer chalk talk, thanks
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 2/21/13 at 10:17 pm to
I don't have anything against what LD is doing to the USMNT. So in that sense I don't disagree with Bradley.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28422 posts
Posted on 2/22/13 at 12:20 am to

When Landon told Ashley Cole: I WILL BREAK YOU
Posted by NOTORlOUSD
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
5051 posts
Posted on 2/22/13 at 6:22 am to
quote:

Maybe we should post a favorite Donovan moment:

Posted by mynamebowl
Houston
Member since Jun 2012
1712 posts
Posted on 2/22/13 at 4:31 pm to
2006 article about LD referenced in the Bradley piece. Pretty good little read.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/22/13 at 5:07 pm
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14395 posts
Posted on 2/23/13 at 12:48 am to
Good work, there, Sheep!
Posted by TheIrishFro
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 2:30 am to
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