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re: Let's talk Clint Dempsey
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:04 am to etm512
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:04 am to etm512
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We do this every six months it seems. Deuce scores a handful of goals and HES BACK. He disappears in a game and we should toss him aside. Look he's a frustrating player at times. But he's still our most clinical finisher and has a knack for being in the right place at the right time to get on the end of creativity from guys like Pulisic and Nagbe. Do I want to be counting on him as a member of the starting XI? No. But until someone proves that they can replace his goal scoring then we are going to use him.
Bad Dempsey shows up much more often than Good Dempsey. Most of the time, he seems to want to sit and wait for an opportunity rather than create one for himself, thus leaving him practically invisible on the field. I'll give it to him that he is a great finisher when he does get an opportunity...probably our best. He's also a great free kick taker for just outside the box. But I'd rather see him come in as a second half sub and play more with a purpose (hopefully) than just kind of hang around the whole game, hoping something happens.
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:40 am to etm512
The main thing that stuck out to me about Dempsey last night was his lack of pace while trying to pressure defenders. There was that one instance where he sprinted to the ball before the keeper could get to it, and he managed to preserve an attacking possession. That was definitely the exception that proves the rule so to speak.
We're going to be pinned in our own half against Mexico, and we'll need forwards who have energy to press Mexico's defenders into making poor decisions on the ball. I don't trust Dempsey to be able to do that for 60+ minutes at his age. The times we've played well at the Azteca, we've been able to hold our lines and scrape a goal off of some half chances and counterattacks when Mexico loses possession. The best example of this was the goal Charlie Davies scored in 2009. Bobby Wood is the perfect iteration of the type of player we need to pair with Jozy for this game.
We're going to be pinned in our own half against Mexico, and we'll need forwards who have energy to press Mexico's defenders into making poor decisions on the ball. I don't trust Dempsey to be able to do that for 60+ minutes at his age. The times we've played well at the Azteca, we've been able to hold our lines and scrape a goal off of some half chances and counterattacks when Mexico loses possession. The best example of this was the goal Charlie Davies scored in 2009. Bobby Wood is the perfect iteration of the type of player we need to pair with Jozy for this game.
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:06 pm to thenry712
I don't really disagree with that, but the opposing view would be we won't get many chances to begin with and Dempsey is pretty clearly the guy you would trust the most to get into position and finish one of those.
Personally I'm not sure about the setup regardless of the Dempsey/Wood choice. Two strikers with a sole holding central midfielder at Azteca is asking a lot of Bradley. We look open through the middle and a guy like Villafana looks like he could be torched a bit.
I'm not exactly sure what the options would be though, since it looks like we're going with two strikers. Maybe sit Fabian and replace him with someone to sit beside Bradley. Which I guess would be Acosta or Dax.
Personally I'm not sure about the setup regardless of the Dempsey/Wood choice. Two strikers with a sole holding central midfielder at Azteca is asking a lot of Bradley. We look open through the middle and a guy like Villafana looks like he could be torched a bit.
I'm not exactly sure what the options would be though, since it looks like we're going with two strikers. Maybe sit Fabian and replace him with someone to sit beside Bradley. Which I guess would be Acosta or Dax.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:14 pm to Crede15
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the opposing view would be we won't get many chances to begin with
Could that be because we usually have Dempsey on the field? Making it tougher to get the ball back?
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:21 pm to pvilleguru
Going back to the early 90's, I can't remember many games at Azteca where we created loads of chances. But yeah sure, we'll go with that.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:57 pm to thenry712
Thenry, I pretty much agree about Mexico. I'm not sure I want 2 strikers in that game leaving a slowing Bradley as the only cover for the back 4. I think he needs Acosta back there with him. That leaves Jozy up top with Pulisic and Nagbe playing off him. Deuce can impact the final 25-30 minutes if we are needing a goal.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:59 pm to etm512
I kind of want to see Wood and Jozy paired together against Mexico again. With Wood's runs off of Jozy's hold up, Mexico had serious trouble.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 4:54 pm to McCaigBro69
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Now come time for Russia, if we qualify for God's sake, I think he is professional enough to understand he would essentially be the Wondo of the team, but hopefully useful for the team's sake.
Bruce has started players past their date in the world cup before.
I'm guessing if he leaves Dempsey out though, he won't get any back lash like jurgen did with Landy.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 4:57 pm to dgnx6
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I'm guessing if he leaves Dempsey out though, he won't get any back lash like jurgen did with Landy.
Deuce would be 35 next year with better options in front of him.
Donovan was 32 and got left home in place of an older Brad Davis.
Terrible analogy.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 5:33 pm to Broski
quote:This. Wood can easily drop back to help on defense and quickly switch to offense once we get the ball.
I kind of want to see Wood and Jozy paired together against Mexico again. With Wood's runs off of Jozy's hold up, Mexico had serious trouble.
Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:28 pm to pvilleguru
I really think we should run a 4-2-3-1 and sit both Dempsey and wood. Question is, would you rather Acosta just slide next to Bradley, or move Cameron to CDM and put Gonzalez at CB? I don't think Gonzalez or Acosta are in our best XI, but it allows us to be more defensive. It also provides easy substitution patterns if we need to chase the game
Posted on 6/11/17 at 2:20 am to americanoutlaw
You scared, because I'm not. We shouldn't go full blown attack, but we should play our best 11. I'm not okay with playing an 11 that's full blown defense because we are scared, you play to win not to not lose.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 6:53 am to lionward2014
Mexico is missing a few defenders and CMs. Let's attack them.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 11:39 am to pvilleguru
Not scared so much as pragmatic. I believe they've been playing a 4-2-3-1, we'll be outnumbered in the midfield if we run a 4-1-3-2 again
Posted on 6/11/17 at 1:14 pm to Broski
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This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 7:18 am
Posted on 6/11/17 at 3:04 pm to HottyToddy7
Can't wait until Clint, Bradley and the rest of the guys that are getting up there in age to be gone. Especially Bradley. I want some fresh blood in there.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 3:13 pm to YNWA
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Can't wait until Clint, Bradley and the rest of the guys that are getting up there in age to be gone
Please don't say that. He's the same age as me.
And I've still never understood everyone hatred of him.
Who are these other old guys? Howard, Cameron, Johnson, Bedoya, and Jones?
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/11/17 at 3:23 pm to pvilleguru
Howard, Johnson, Cameron, and Bradley are still some of our best options at their positions.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 3:25 pm to YNWA
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Can't wait until Clint, Bradley and the rest of the guys that are getting up there in age to be gone.
One of the guys you mentioned is 34, the other guy is 29.
Posted on 6/11/17 at 3:34 pm to Broski
Bradley has played really well for us lately.
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