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re: Jurgen says NO to GMO
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:43 am to cwil177
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:43 am to cwil177
quote:years since he was a fixture in the team, right?
Years? I think you mean months. And you do realize that Donovan was the best player in our pool (with the possible exception being Clint) just one year before the WC, right?
As far as LDs ability, it was never about that IMO. It was about JK not thinking that Landon's presence would be a net positive.
quote:I knew something was wrong with Bradley in the Turkey warm-up match, and he never recovered, but there is no way JK was going to start Donovan there in the Cup.
As far as starting goes, please answer this question honestly: Do you think Donovan would have been a better #10 than Bradley?
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I'm praying something similar doesn't transpire in 2018, but with Jurgen there are no guarantees.
The only guarantee is that he won't be given the benefit of the doubt by those who have hated him from the start and people who love LD more than they love the team.
Don't get me wrong. JK seems like a coach with some big weaknesses and deserves criticism. I just think people over-reacted to the Landon thing and never even tried to understand what JK was thinking.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:45 am to Harry Pitts
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He is the best coach in the history of the USMNT
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:49 am to Broski
He did an awesome job at WC 2006. Awesome.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:50 am to EastNastySwag
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He did an awesome job at WC 2006. Awesome.
So we're just ignoring 2002?
Got it.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:52 am to EastNastySwag
You have become the worst poster on this board in a short time. Quite an accomplishment.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:54 am to etm512
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You have become the worst poster on this board in a short time. Quite an accomplishment.
This.
I'd take TNBhoy every day and twice on Sunday.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 10:55 am to uway
I like Jurgen. I really do. And I've tried to make sense of the LD omission. It just still doesn't make much sense. And as Sheep pointed out, LD was a starter and was involved in both goals in our last meaningful qualifier.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:00 am to Sheep
Nah, but fa real doe...
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Izzo's makes Chipotle taste like mexican food made from a native of Montana.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:03 am to cwil177
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I like Jurgen. I really do. And I've tried to make sense of the LD omission. It just still doesn't make much sense. And as Sheep pointed out, LD was a starter and was involved in both goals in our last meaningful qualifier.
I'm in the same boat. It was a stupid, egomaniac decision that probably cost us.
He was all about versatility and Landon can literally play about 5-6 positions and excel at them.
People who defend the decision literally have zero logic to it whatsoever. Because there isn't any.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:04 am to STLhog
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People who defend the decision literally have zero logic to it whatsoever
Naw, you're just more of an LD fan than USMNT fan.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:10 am to STLhog
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People who defend the decision literally have zero logic to it whatsoever. Because there isn't any.
It was clearly due to JK believing the problems in his relationship with Landon would be an overall detriment to the team. Y'all have somehow completely ruled out that Landon had any fault in that relationship going south, I know, but it was clearly in the tank in the buildup to the Cup. I defend a coach's right to not take a player on a month-long trip when the relationship is in that state.
In the end, it worked out pretty well, despite some bad luck.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:13 am to Broski
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Naw, you're just more of an LD fan than USMNT fan.
No thats just it, I don't like Donovan at all honestly. But he is 10x the player Johnansen and Davis are and that really can't be debated. The "cancer" in the lockerroom has been disproven over and over again.
Again no logic to it other than JKs ego.
It had nothing to with the team and everything to do with Jurgen.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:15 am to uway
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I defend a coach's right to not take a player on a month-long trip when the relationship is in that state.
In the end, it worked out pretty well, despite some bad luck.
I don't defend a coach that can't figure out a way to fix it and manage it for the better of the team when he's obviously a top 3 option out of the whole pool.
Again, to cwill's point, it's not like he was Anelka, Nasri or Evra.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:18 am to uway
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It was clearly due to JK believing the problems in his relationship with Landon would be an overall detriment to the team.
Why didn't he all of the sudden factor that in for Gold Cup and Mexico qualifiers.
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Y'all have somehow completely ruled out that Landon had any fault in that relationship going south
Still putting words in people's mouths I see.
Had JK been steadfast in his freeze out with LD, then I would've had no problem with the omission. It was the fact that he allowed him back on the team, talked about how bridges were mended, Donovan was a leader on the team, etc. Then he was all like LOL JK.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:22 am to Broski
I'm confused as to why actual criticism of Klinsmann doesn't seem to be allowed. Tactically the team has been all over the place, and despite promising to do progress, we are still at the same place we were under Bradley, who played a specific style and got results, which has been the default style under Klinsmann despite insisting that we are moving to a possession game. And the only reason we were in the game against Belgium was because of the herculean efforts of Tim Howard, as tactically it was a poor decision to drop Beckerman and move Cameron into midfield, as we were overrun in midfield and would have found Beckerman's anchoring presence useful. The decision not to bring another target striker to replace Jozy was poor, as was the decision to start Brad Davis, who got destroyed by Jerome Boateng going forward and gave up the corner (needlessly if I remember correctly) that led to Mueller's goal.
I think the progress under Klinsmann has been minimal from a tactical point of view, and despite the fact we played Belgium well (not due to tactics, but things that American teams are generally known for, athleticism and workrate), he gets a pass for every decision he makes? Klinsmann, like every US coach, should be scrutinized, as he's far from perfect, and in many ways, was a lateral move from Bradley.
I think the progress under Klinsmann has been minimal from a tactical point of view, and despite the fact we played Belgium well (not due to tactics, but things that American teams are generally known for, athleticism and workrate), he gets a pass for every decision he makes? Klinsmann, like every US coach, should be scrutinized, as he's far from perfect, and in many ways, was a lateral move from Bradley.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:26 am to Broski
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Why didn't he all of the sudden factor that in for Gold Cup and Mexico qualifiers.
Was that before or after Landon showed up fat in April and then told a reporter that he wasn't going to practice hard every day?
And don't tell me he didn't show up fat because I will find the game thread where most of you called him fat.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:30 am to uway
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And don't tell me he didn't show up fat because I will find the game thread where most of you called him fat.
This was so overblown then and it's just sad now. That you have to use this as a crutch, shows just how ignorant you are on how whole situation played out, but hey, stick to your weak-minded narrative.
By the way, how convenient that you didn't even acknowledge the other part of my post. I'm sure when this subject inevitably comes up again, you'll continue to make blanket statements and attribute more words to people who never said such things.
Keep doing you, uway, don't let anyone tell you that you are not a star.
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:48 am to Broski
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his was so overblown then and it's just sad now. That you have to use this as a crutch, shows just how ignorant you are on how whole situation played out, but hey, stick to your weak-minded narrative.
You can call me stupid if you want, but ignorant is unsupported.
And I'm sure it says nothing about Landon's mindset and that JK took no meaning at all from the fact that Landon let himself get slightly out of shape in the lead up to the Cup. I'm not saying it made him a worse player than Brad Davis. I'm saying it, along with prior history, pissed JK off and made him believe that Landon still wasn't bought in to the team as JK wanted him to be.
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Keep doing you, uway, don't let anyone tell you that you are not a star.
I guess I had forgotten what kind of poster you are, so thanks for the reminder.
And Crazy4LSU, did you just say that JK gets a pass for his decisions and doesn't get criticism?
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:53 am to uway
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I guess I had forgotten what kind of poster you are, so thanks for the reminder.
The kind of poster that calls out ignorance?
Sorry that you don't like that.
ETA: Next, you are going to tell me that the reports that LD beat the beep test were just unsubstantiated rumors.
This post was edited on 4/29/15 at 11:58 am
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